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06-01-2012, 06:25 PM
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Tim Thomas to Colorado

Looks like TT does not want to play next season. Avalanche currently is hugging the cap floor and will be able to take his 5 million salary cap space. Bonus: he just moved to Colorado.

What does Boston needs? Remember, this trade is primary to help Boston get rid of his 5 million cap, don't ask for Duchene etc. We need Duchy, O'Reilly or Stastny to get to cap floor.

And, Avs do not have 1st round this year.

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06-01-2012, 06:27 PM
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Tim Thomas wants to play for Boston. He is trying to envoke a NTC without actually having one, good luck, to the *******.

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If Thomas decides to sit out, his cap hit counts no matter what since he is over 35. If a floor team trades for him and then suspends him for not playing, they get that cap hit without paying. I wouldn't expect him to cost much, maybe a later round pick.

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Looks like TT does not want to play next season. Avalanche currently is hugging the cap floor and will be able to take his 5 million salary cap space. Bonus: he just moved to Colorado.

What does Boston needs? Remember, this trade is primary to help Boston get rid of his 5 million cap, don't ask for Duchene etc. We need Duchy, O'Reilly or Stastny to get to cap floor.

And, Avs do not have 1st round this year.
Why on earth would the Avs be interested in spending 5 million on a player who doesn't even want to play? Thomas basically killed any potential trade value by raising questions about his commitment level and with a 35+ contract his values even less

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Tim Thomas wants to play for Boston. He is trying to envoke a NTC without actually having one, good luck, to the *******.
This. In other words he doesnt want to go to Tampa or the Leafs. He will sit out instead.

If he does get moved , I bet he has a change of heart. Hes just saying this as a threat but why would he pass up 5 million bucks just to hang around the house?

He will reluctantly go i bet.

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Why on earth would the Avs be interested in spending 5 million on a player who doesn't even want to play? Thomas basically killed any potential trade value by raising questions about his commitment level and with a 35+ contract his values even less
The Avs is hovering around cap right now. They do not need to pay him 5 million, but need his salary cap to reach the floor. We have a couple players who has not been signed. And this organization is notoriously cheap ( will not trade Stastny because they need his salary to reach cap floor last season), this is a great way to reach the floor without actually have to sign and pay UFA/SOMEBODY.

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If Thomas decides to sit out, his cap hit counts no matter what since he is over 35. If a floor team trades for him and then suspends him for not playing, they get that cap hit without paying. I wouldn't expect him to cost much, maybe a later round pick.
No. If he doesnt play he will be suspended for breach of contract and the cap hit wont count.

If he retires, then it still counts. In thomas' case, him claiming to 'retire' would be challenged by the Bruins and i believe the league would move to suspend him regardless of his formal intent to 'retire' rather than be traded.

So the bruins wouldnt have to eat his cap hit.

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Why do we need Thomas?

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Why do we need Thomas?
Think about the organization. Why wouldn't they want to get someone to reach cap floor without having to pay him?

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No. If he doesnt play he will be suspended for breach of contract and the cap hit wont count.

If he retires, then it still counts. In thomas' case, him claiming to 'retire' would be challenged by the Bruins and i believe the league would move to suspend him regardless of his formal intent to 'retire' rather than be traded.

So the bruins wouldnt have to eat his cap hit.
Pretty sure his cap hit counts no matter what since he is over 35.

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If we move serious assets then it'd be for a winger or someone with some skill like Fleischmann who can play with Duchene and a no4 dman possibly.

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Avs fan, do not want, happy with Varlamov.

If we move serious assets then it'd be for a winger or someone with some skill like Fleischmann who can play with Duchene and a no4 dman possibly.
Thomas is not going to play. Avs just need his salary cap to reach the floor.

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Its a 35+ contract. Cap hit counts, no... matter... what.

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Think about the organization. Why wouldn't they want to get someone to reach cap floor without having to pay him?
Because they'd rather pay that money on someone whose going to make a difference rather and sit on the bench.

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Talk about a perfect fit.

Colorado adds $5,000,000 in cap at a cost of $0.00 and can always hold onto his rights and push it forward every year.

This would mean that as long as he is alive, they have a $5,000,000 cap hit at a cost of $0. Now there is a loop we never thought of.

Then, if he does come back for a year, his salary is only $3,000,000 and if he came back in January to help with a playoff push, Colorado would only pay him $1,500,000.

Hell, if they wanted to make sure that he took more time, they could tell him to never again report and use his $5,000,000 cap hit for decades until he reports.

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Because they'd rather pay that money on someone whose going to make a difference rather and sit on the bench.
But if he refuses to play, they don't pay him AND get that cap hit to help reach the floor.

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Its a 35+ contract. Cap hit counts, no... matter... what.
And he could be suspended for 10 years making sure the Avalanche hit the cap floor every year with his $5,000,000 on it.

This seems calculated. Very calculated.

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wont dont people get. Avs want him to get them to the cap floor. Thats it. Not to play. They want to take his cap without paying him.

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wont dont people get. Avs want him to get them to the cap floor. Thats it. Not to play. They want to take his cap without paying him.
Exactly.

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Because they'd rather pay that money on someone whose going to make a difference rather and sit on the bench.
You are not an Avs fan, I guess. This organization is CHEAP. They'd rather reach the floor without paying anyone. Get it?

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You are not an Avs fan, I guess. This organization is CHEAP. They'd rather reach the floor without paying anyone. Get it?
Proof?

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You are not an Avs fan, I guess. This organization is CHEAP. They'd rather reach the floor without paying anyone. Get it?
How are they cheap? Because while the team was rebuilding they decided not to spend like idiots?

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How are they cheap? Because while the team was rebuilding they decided not to spend like idiots?
The Avs have been cheap the last couple of years, I mean c'mon we were approx. 100k above the floor at the start of the year.

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Proof?
Would be funny if Avs do just that. Trade for Thomas to reach cap floor.

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The Avs have been cheap the last couple of years, I mean c'mon we were approx. 100k above the floor at the start of the year.
I am just surprised that I have to explain how this organization is cheap. Did you see our goalie tandem last year? Obligatory goal # 3 for both Budaj and Elliot.
Plus the reclamation projects from European players. If it works, great but most of the time there is reason why they were reclamation projects.

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Its a 35+ contract. Cap hit counts, no... matter... what.
Can you show me the source ?

The player reneges on their contract to avoid trade, the team suspends him, and the team still has to eat the cap hit?

I doubt it. It would become a league issue and I believe the would rule in this case Thomas is trying to avoid trade and the bruins would not have to consider his cap hit.

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