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06-03-2012, 10:15 PM
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Im a huge Thomas fan am not exactly stoked with how things are going on in regards to his seemingly more than likely end with the Bruins.

That being said I think its awesome he is trolling so many posters here I have no respect for who are taking it as personally as it can get, like he kicked their dog, and the amount of downplaying of his accolades and what he accomplished for the team.

Contracts are a 2 way street, everything that could have happened, and that has happened is nothing that wasn't known when the contract was signed so the amount of surprise and vitriol from some is unwarranted. This was a possibility when the contract was written/signed.
Tim Thomas can Kick my dog if he likes. For 39 long years since I was 7 years old and was sent to bed instead of being allowed to stay up and watch the Bruins defeat the NY Rangers, I have watched Bruin team after Bruin Team try and fail to win the Cup. I remember all too well the Flyers in 74, The Habs in 77, 78 and the too many men of 79. Who can forget the Neely, Bourque led teams of the late 80's and 90's. Time and time again the Bruins came up short. In 2011, they didn't come up short. In 3 hard faught 7 game series, I saw a Bruin goalie give up a total of 2 goals with 2 shutouts in those 3 game 7s. I saw a Bruin Goalie allow just 8 goals in a 7 game final against one of the top offensive teams in the league. I saw a Bruin Goalie set an all time record for saves in the playoffs. Watching the Bruins hoist the Stanley Cup is something I will never forget and quite frankly something I was beginning to believe I would never see. He is arguably the greatest goalie this franchise has ever had and did it all with 90% of the people who are ripping him right now, never believing in him in the 1st place. Considering how hard this man had to work to get to where he is, how many obstacles he had to overcome, I have to figure he has a pretty good reason for doing what he is doing and that's good enough for me. Thanks for the memories Tim and good luck wherever the road leads you.

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06-03-2012, 10:17 PM
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I am glad to see someone else has this warped opinion almost thought for thought to what keeps running through my head.

How pathetic that it's come to this, though? This season pretty much destroyed Timmy's reputation with me...and so shortly after bringing me a memory that many others will NEVER get to remember. (Leafs fan's, I'm looking at you haha)
Actually this has been brought up a million times but the defenders only see Thomas is a positive light like a demi-god or something.

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06-03-2012, 10:17 PM
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thomas did explain it. he just didn't have a 2 hour q&a like most people wanted. he explained himself. that should have ended it. but instead it turned into a huge incident because thomas is the opposite politically of most of the fanbase.
I agree. If this had happened in a Republican state, it would not have been nearly as big a deal.

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I believe the President was the one that asked him (and the rest of the team) to go?

My personal belief (obviously not his) was that he should go because he was invited and because he was a member of the Bruins and they had won the Cup as a team. He wasn't being invited to debate with Obama, or even to discuss politics.

These invites have been going on for years, and are not political events. Nobody asked Thomas to vote for Obama (as far as I know, lol).
So again I would have gone as I am not overly political either way but I cannot for a second say that anyone should be forced to go anywhere that is not part of their job. Why do we have this expectation of others?

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06-03-2012, 10:19 PM
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Everyone gonna beat this to death,Thomas is toast as a Bruin so save your breaths and typing fingers haha Go RASK!

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Actually this has been brought up a million times but the defenders only see Thomas is a positive light like a demi-god or something.
You do realize when you keep saying things like this, it makes you look just as bad as some of the people who are blindly defending Thomas (only on the opposite side of the table)???

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06-03-2012, 10:20 PM
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Getting rid of Thomas 5mil cap hit ?

can the bruins not trade TT to any team for say a conditional pick? Pretty much like releasing him but not having to take the cap hit? the pick would be under a condition that he plays , if he doesnt than they get nothing in return but dont have to deal with the 5 mil cap penelty

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More sarcasm with the cure cancer thing again.

Are you this clueless every day or what? No one is saying he is above criticism, but you just dont get it.
Oh you mean like you bringing the Soviet Union into the discussion is perfectly great way to tell us how persecuted Timmy was for being asked to meet with the Prez? I fight absurd with absurd sometimes. It's to show someone how...well...absurd they are being.

You want to tell me over and over I don't have a clue. I'm showing you that it is obvious you see Thomas in a golden light and he can't do any wrong.

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06-03-2012, 10:21 PM
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So again I would have gone as I am not overly political either way but I cannot for a second say that anyone should be forced to go anywhere that is not part of their job. Why do we have this expectation of others?
Probably because we like to think that our heroes on the ice are actually heroes off it as well, and will always do the "right" thing? Never showing any of the weaknesses or prejudice that every other human being does.

Totally ridiculous I know, but you asked.

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You do realize when you keep saying things like this, it makes you look just as bad as some of the people who are blindly defending Thomas (only on the opposite side of the table)???
You are right I am outta here.

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Oh you mean like you bringing the Soviet Union into the discussion is perfectly great way to tell us how persecuted Timmy was for being asked to meet with the Prez? I fight absurd with absurd sometimes. It's to show someone how...well...absurd they are being.

You want to tell me over and over I don't have a clue. I'm showing you that it is obvious you see Thomas in a golden light and he can't do any wrong.
BJ can defend himself, but it's pretty obvious this is NOT what he's doing.

He's just trying to point out how both sides got to this point based on things that actually happened. I agree with him for the most part, and I think that there are things that both the B's and Thomas could have done better.

I think we just disagree on the %? I'm saying that this whole thing was probably 60-40 Thomas fault

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06-03-2012, 10:26 PM
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Oh you mean like you bringing the Soviet Union into the discussion is perfectly great way to tell us how persecuted Timmy was for being asked to meet with the Prez? I fight absurd with absurd sometimes. It's to show someone how...well...absurd they are being.

You want to tell me over and over I don't have a clue. I'm showing you that it is obvious you see Thomas in a golden light and he can't do any wrong.
3 things:

1- I do believe it is oppressive to tell anyone to suspend their political beliefs and do something against their will. Call me American.....you call it absurd.

2- I dont like what TT did, wish it didnt happen and DO believe that it could have been prevented from the Bruins side.

3-I am telling you with good authority that this has been one of the things that has led TT to this moment. It is a series of issues that has led TT to become dissatisfied with the bruins organization. Right or wrong...doesnt matter its just fact.

Dont make it seem like I am a defender of TT...I am just telling you how it is.

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06-03-2012, 10:26 PM
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Everyone gonna beat this to death,Thomas is toast as a Bruin so save your breaths and typing fingers haha Go RASK!
Tim Thomas has 5 million reasons to stay alive...or stay in the league...or whatever that dumb ass T.O. quote was.

It's being beaten to death because it's worthy of debate. If the guy didn't use facebook to make his big statements, and didn't pick the most questionable time to decide "I'm going to take a year off" for whatever reason...then no one would be debating anything.

This would just be another one of those appreciation threads.

Seriously though, I almost feel like a bad person for assuming the guy has an agenda and is using his family as hostages. That is a really, really crappy thing to do on my part...but I just can't shake the feeling.

Good old tight lipped Bruins. Too bad Chia didn't have a little Vignieault in him (apparently leaked Luongo wanted a trade. oopsy).

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06-03-2012, 10:29 PM
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Did I just read a post about tt not caring about the potus feelings .... I mean seriously, how far will some go

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3 things:

1- I do believe it is oppressive to tell anyone to suspend their political beliefs and do something against their will. Call me American.....you call it absurd.

2- I dont like what TT did, wish it didnt happen and DO believe that it could have been prevented from the Bruins side.

3-I am telling you with good authority that this has been one of the things that has led TT to this moment. It is a series of issues that has led TT to become dissatisfied with the bruins organization. Right or wrong...doesnt matter its just fact.

Dont make it seem like I am a defender of TT...I am just telling you how it is.
And have I not been trying to tell people this same thing? This has been a culmination of things for a few years. The problem is we disagree where the blame should go and you resort to the you're clueless" comments.

One thing. I don't understand. How could the Bruins have prevent the episode with the White House from happening? How has it become the Bruins fault? The only thing they should have done was make it mandatory. Then how disgruntled would Thomas have been afterwards. He tied their hands on the WH meeting much like how is tying their hands now.

Throughout these threads, I have seen many defenders blame the media, Chia and now it's the Bruins fault for the White House fiasco? What gives? Seems to me when Thomas doesn't want to do something,Thomas just doesn't do it. Sorry, but adults in the real world don't act like that. Sometimes you have to suck it up for the betterment of the whole.

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Did I just read a post about tt not caring about the potus feelings .... I mean seriously, how far will some go
Some people underestimate just how big of a Bruins fan the President is.

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3 things:

1- I do believe it is oppressive to tell anyone to suspend their political beliefs and do something against their will. Call me American.....you call it absurd.

2- I dont like what TT did, wish it didnt happen and DO believe that it could have been prevented from the Bruins side.

3-I am telling you with good authority that this has been one of the things that has led TT to this moment. It is a series of issues that has led TT to become dissatisfied with the bruins organization. Right or wrong...doesnt matter its just fact.

Dont make it seem like I am a defender of TT...I am just telling you how it is.
TT and the B's could have said he was "sick" as the reason he wasn't there. KPD said the other day that TT wanted to post his little FB rant while the team was at the WH and Chia and Neely had to talk TT out of it. TT wanted to make a political statement out of it for whatever reason. TT made it an issue for who knows what reason.

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Did I just read a post about tt not caring about the potus feelings .... I mean seriously, how far will some go

It was ironic sarcasm meant from someone who thinks Chia is at fault because they blame PC for hurting Thomas's feeling over trying to trade him.

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We should all just stop arguing about Timmy as he is now history...we should all just focus on the fact that it is now officially...TUUKKA TIME!!!!!

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TT and the B's could have said he was "sick" as the reason he wasn't there. KPD said the other day that TT wanted to post his little FB rant while the team was at the WH and Chia and Neely had to talk TT out of it. TT wanted to make a political statement out of it for whatever reason. TT made it an issue for who knows what reason.
Yes, I had heard this too. He did post some stupid stuff anyways about socialism and the direction HE thinks the country is going. But hey what do you expect from someone who thinks the world is going to end soon.

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Yes, I don't think the players really cared, except that afterwards I think it did become a bit of a distraction and annoying.

And I don't hate Thomas for making the decision he did, just think he would have shown that he was the "bigger man" for going to the White House as part of a team, even though he disagreed with today's political landscape.

I will say this, if it's true that Neely wanted him to go (which I have heard) as part of the team, and was very unhappy when he (Thomas) didn't go, then I suppose Thomas shouldn't be very surprised (or upset) when the team (and Neely) don't bend over backwards to trade him to a destination of his liking.
You really believe not going to the WH trumps even making that save on that 2 on 1 in OT vs the habs, alone??? He doesn't make that save, they don't go to the White House in the first place. Neely knows that.

And, it's obvious they had no intention of dealing him to a team of his liking. Had they sat him down and said - "We know what you did for this team, we appreciate everything you've done for this franchise. We know what you mean to the fans. Despite that, we're in a tough spot, and are going to go w/ Tuukka this year. Due to your NTC expiring, and despite being under no obligation to do so, we want to show our appreciation by still giving you a chance to go somewhere you want to play, Tim."

We wouldn't be here right now, dude. Do I think a Conn Smythe performance that delivers a Cup, not to mention the Vezinas, deserves that kind of consideration? Yeah. And it wasn't as if he was bringing back Nash in the first place.

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With all the important issues facing this country, I don't think the POTUS, any POTUS, should be making time for totally meaningless things like this. And, all the rest of the social/cultural bs things they cram into their schedule.

We elect them to run the country. Not do this sort of bs. It'a a sham.

Anyway, so Timmy's not here next season. I haven't read all the posts but I guess this move it tougher to get top value for him. On that basis, I'm not happy. All the POTUS bs, I could care less.

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We should all just stop arguing about Timmy as he is now history...we should all just focus on the fact that it is now officially...TUUKKA TIME!!!!!
Yes... by default. I guess for you it's still a victory.

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It's been said as fact many, many times but can someone give me a link to something saying Chiarelli did indeed screw up about not knowing the 35+ rule?

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You really believe not going to the WH trumps even making that save on that 2 on 1 in OT vs the habs, alone?? ? He doesn't make that save, they don't go to the White House in the first place. Neely knows that.

And, it's obvious they had no intention of dealing him to a team of his liking. Had they sat him down and said - "We know what you did for this team, we appreciate everything you've done for this franchise. We know what you mean to the fans. Despite that, we're in a tough spot, and are going to go w/ Tuukka this year. Due to your NTC expiring, and despite being under no obligation to do so, we want to show our appreciation by still giving you a chance to go somewhere you want to play, Tim."

We wouldn't be here right now, dude. Do I think a Conn Smythe performance that delivers a Cup, not to mention the Vezinas, deserves that kind of consideration? Yeah. And it wasn't as if he was bringing back Nash in the first place.
I'm not saying anything of the sort.

What I am saying is that in the past Chia has done things like dealt Aaron Ward back to CAR (where his family was) when he didn't have to. He was an agent and also seems to overpay somewhat when it comes to re-upping guys. He just doesn't seem to have a very vindictive personality.

Given all of that, you have to ask why the B's didn't sit down with Thomas and try to trade him to a team of his liking after all he did for the franchise. There is really only a couple of reasons: 1) Thomas didn't ask. 2) He did ask, but didn't get the answer he wanted.

Pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing that there were other things besides the WH and that both TT and the B's got on each others nerves a bit? It's really too bad that they (both sides) could not have avoided this ending, given the recent Cup win.

I don't like the whole "Thomas won us the Cup, so we should do what he wants" line of reasoning. Ryder had an OT goal against MTL and without that the B's lose the series. Should they have overpaid him this year to stay just because of that? Many members of that Cup team had key contributions without which, the B's don't win a Cup, so to me the idea that Thomas deserves more consideration now is faulty.

Thomas signed the deal he currently has, knowing that he did not have the protection of a NTC/NMC in the last year. As Kaoz said earlier, he probably conceded that so that he could get more money up front. You made your bed, now lay in it.

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