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06-14-2012, 09:33 AM
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Eklund saying the Sharks may sign Broduer, and then trade Niemi and pavelski for Nash.


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06-14-2012, 09:38 AM
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Eklund saying the Sharks may sign Broduer, and then trade Niemi and pavelski for Nash.

Beat me to it. Anyway here is the link:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...s-Iggy/1/44944

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06-14-2012, 10:28 AM
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Eklund saying the Sharks may sign Broduer, and then trade Niemi and pavelski for Nash.

Eklund is comedy, not information.

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Eklund is comedy, not information.
Yes. Niemi AND Pavelski is an overpayment. Niemi AND Clowe + 2012 1st is close.

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Parenteau sucks - a 20 goal scorer at best that piles up assists leaching off Tavares. He is not worth $5 million. Not even close. Then again, we're paying Havlat the same.


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Comedic gold...

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Eklund saying the Sharks may sign Broduer, and then trade Niemi and pavelski for Nash.


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Maury made Ek take a lie detector test. The results were:"In the case of Eklund making up rumors, Ek you are a liar."

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It is more important to keep the puck out of the net. Great defenseman like Suter will keep the puck out of the net and give their teams a chance to win every game. Offense will win some games, but defense wins Championships.
Trite and common fallacy. Better to go with the 3 point system, Norris caliber defender, strength down the middle and Vezina caliber goalie. As we have seen two out of three ain't bad.

Doughty is Norris caliber. Quick was Vezina caliber during the playoffs and just short of it for the year. Kopitar and Richards followed by Carter and Stoll. Kings were pretty close to a three point team. I go by 3-1/2 points because I add scoring depth which the Kings had in Lewis and King.

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06-14-2012, 12:05 PM
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Trite and common fallacy. Better to go with the 3 point system, Norris caliber defender, strength down the middle and Vezina caliber goalie. As we have seen two out of three ain't bad.

Doughty is Norris caliber. Quick was Vezina caliber during the playoffs and just short of it for the year. Kopitar and Richards followed by Carter and Stoll. Kings were pretty close to a three point team. I go by 3-1/2 points because I add scoring depth which the Kings had in Lewis and King.
Well, that makes us a 2 point team. Still not enough.

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Well, that makes us a 2 point team. Still not enough.

Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Detroit were all 2 pointers as well.

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Trite and common fallacy. Better to go with the 3 point system, Norris caliber defender, strength down the middle and Vezina caliber goalie. As we have seen two out of three ain't bad.

Doughty is Norris caliber. Quick was Vezina caliber during the playoffs and just short of it for the year. Kopitar and Richards followed by Carter and Stoll. Kings were pretty close to a three point team. I go by 3-1/2 points because I add scoring depth which the Kings had in Lewis and King.
Doughty was norris caliber for the playoffs, but fell well short of it during the year. No question of that.

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06-14-2012, 01:11 PM
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Beat me to it. Anyway here is the link:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...s-Iggy/1/44944
We all laugh at this, but I wouldn't be the least surprised to see it happen.

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Trite and common fallacy. Better to go with the 3 point system, Norris caliber defender, strength down the middle and Vezina caliber goalie. As we have seen two out of three ain't bad.

Doughty is Norris caliber. Quick was Vezina caliber during the playoffs and just short of it for the year. Kopitar and Richards followed by Carter and Stoll. Kings were pretty close to a three point team. I go by 3-1/2 points because I add scoring depth which the Kings had in Lewis and King.
I think Quick was more than Vezina caliber all year. Doughty was Norris caliber down the stretch and throughout the playoffs. Agree that scoring depth was there too.

Going back to the original "defense wins championships" idea, if you could only have two of the points, which would they be. I'd be inclined to say that a Vezina goalie and a Norris defender give you a better shot of winning than any other combination. So in some regard, it does seem that defense (blueline + goaltending) might have the edge.


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I think Quick was more than Vezina caliber all year. Doughty was Norris caliber down the stretch and throughout the playoffs. Agree that scoring depth was there too.

Going back to the original "defense wins championships" idea, if you could only have two of the points, which would they be. I'd be inclined to say that a Vezina goalie and a Norris defender give you a better shot of winning than any other combination. So in some regard, it does seem that defense (blueline + goaltending) might have the edge.
Didn't Chicago basically win with defense and depth.

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Didn't Chicago basically win with defense and depth.
no they had Jesus Toews!

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Well, that makes us a 2 point team. Still not enough.
The Sharks are a one point, although its very strong down the middle


No norris caliber d man and no veinza goalie

If you want to be generous you could argue 1.5


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Didn't Chicago basically win with defense and depth.
Norris Caliber d and strong down the middle

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I think Quick was more than Vezina caliber all year. Doughty was Norris caliber down the stretch and throughout the playoffs. Agree that scoring depth was there too.

Going back to the original "defense wins championships" idea, if you could only have two of the points, which would they be. I'd be inclined to say that a Vezina goalie and a Norris defender give you a better shot of winning than any other combination. So in some regard, it does seem that defense (blueline + goaltending) might have the edge.
Chicago won it with strong down the middle and norris D. Sharks actually have a shot at the norris D maybe....

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Trite and common fallacy. Better to go with the 3 point system, Norris caliber defender, strength down the middle and Vezina caliber goalie. As we have seen two out of three ain't bad.

Doughty is Norris caliber. Quick was Vezina caliber during the playoffs and just short of it for the year. Kopitar and Richards followed by Carter and Stoll. Kings were pretty close to a three point team. I go by 3-1/2 points because I add scoring depth which the Kings had in Lewis and King.
Although one problem with this rating system is you can't be too weak at either point. I don't see Nashville winning it with out a significant upgrade down the middle.


Nashville currently has norris quality d with or without Suter and a vienza caliber goalie

The exact same thing can be said for the blues

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Although one problem with this rating system is you can't be too weak at either point. I don't see Nashville winning it with out a significant upgrade down the middle.

The exact same thing can be said for the blues
They currently have norris quality d with or without Suter and a vienza caliber goalie
If we can swap Boyle for Suter next season, we've locked up the defense. If we avoid trading our centers, we're locked up there as well. Our goaltending is the only 'issue' then, and honestly we have a better chance with Stalock/Sexsmith/Sateri surprising (like Nabby did) than we do of trading for an elite goalie.

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What about Boyle to Tampa for Connolly and Det 1st?

Connolly is what Thornton needs. A winger that has the knack for scoring. Cheechoo had this. Heatley somewhat did. Pavelski doesnt. He's a good player, because of how versitile he is. He isnt a 100% scorer like Connolly would be.

Would Tampa do this is the question? Id add #55 from our side if more value was needed.

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What about Boyle to Tampa for Connolly and Det 1st?

Connolly is what Thornton needs. A winger that has the knack for scoring. Cheechoo had this. Heatley somewhat did. Pavelski doesnt. He's a good player, because of how versitile he is. He isnt a 100% scorer like Connolly would be.

Would Tampa do this is the question? Id add #55 from our side if more value was needed.
Tampa needs to provide more to get Boyle. A later 1st, and a good but not top-notch prospect, just isn't enough.

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