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06-03-2012, 01:38 PM
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Dallas' Veterans

So Dallas has a group of players who we're trying to move on from. We need to get younger and they're just not doing it for us anymore.

Robidas and Morrow need to go.

Ribeiro and Ott can be moved for the right packages.

Please don't ask about anyone else unless they're a minor piece in a package.

Benn and Eriksson Will NOT Be Moved. Please Don't Ask About Them.

We're looking to get younger, obviously. We're looking for a center prospect with top 6 upside (think Spooner, Burmi, Schenn, etc.) and a current top 6 winger (like Voracek, etc.). But pretty much any offer can be discussed. Picks are also nice, but we're trying to get better now, not in 4-5 years. We've got a young core that can compete now, we just need to move on and add some supporting pieces.

^ I'm not saying those are the players we should expect, but guys in the mold of those players.

So offer away.

(There have been a lot of Dallas - XXXX proposals, so I figured one thread where it could all be discussed would be better).

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06-03-2012, 01:49 PM
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What would the stars be looking for for Robidas?

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06-03-2012, 01:52 PM
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What would the stars be looking for for Robidas?
Depends. We can't be too picky, but he's not exactly someone we have to get rid of.

He's a quality #3-4 guy for the next two years. But we play him like a #1, and there isn't much indication that that'll change (last I heard, at least).

Depends on what you'd value a veteran #4 who gives 100% every shift. Only two years of him, and he's starting to wear down just a tad, but he's a warrior.

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06-03-2012, 03:43 PM
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I would like to see an NHL ready or nearly NHL ready player, hopefully a C with some upside, in these kind of deals.

Robidas might get a 2/3 line winger who doesn't quite fit his current team, so that is who I would target.

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06-03-2012, 03:47 PM
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I would like to see an NHL ready or nearly NHL ready player, hopefully a C with some upside, in these kind of deals.

Robidas might get a 2/3 line winger who doesn't quite fit his current team, so that is who I would target.
Does Vancouver still need a RHD? And can they afford him? What about a Robi for Raymond type deal?

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06-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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Wouldnt mind robi on nucks i would be open to it. He is on a great contract for what he brings.

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Does Vancouver still need a RHD? And can they afford him? What about a Robi for Raymond type deal?
That's the direction I have been thinking, also maybe Chicago for Frolik+ or one of their prospects?

I think the original poster was a Flames fan, but I don't have a good idea about somebody I would want of roughly equivalent value.

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06-03-2012, 03:56 PM
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That's the direction I have been thinking, also maybe Chicago for Frolik+ or one of their prospects?

I think the original poster was a Flames fan, but I don't have a good idea about somebody I would want of roughly equivalent value.
I don't really know, either. Glencross would've been a good option until his breakout season this year.

I wonder how much we'd have to add for Bolland. Probably a center for sure, so I don't know about that one. If we had Benn - Burmistrov (other thread) - Bolland - Wandell/Fiddler/4th line center who's name starts with a B, we'd be set for a LONG time.

Killer B's. Reminds me of the old Astros.

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Ott for MacArthur
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Ribeiro for Bozak + MacArthur + 34th overall

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Ott for MacArthur
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Ribeiro for Bozak + MacArthur + 34th overall
God no. MacArthur is overrated, brings just slightly more production than Ott and nothing else, and is on a worse contract.

Don't like Bozak, see above for MacArthur. It's not that awful, but we can get better.

EDIT - Wait... Benn, Burmi, Bolland, Bozak. THERE WE GO

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06-03-2012, 04:04 PM
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Seems like dallas fans are just bitter at their vets for not making the playoffs, thing is their team wasnt deep enough.

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Seems like dallas fans are just bitter at their vets for not making the playoffs, thing is their team wasnt deep enough.
Is this really necessary?

I want to see the team win a cup. If you take a hard look at the roster, Robidas, Morrow, and Ribiero are probably not going to be useful players by the time this team makes a deep run. Ott would be a great 3rd liner on a cup team, but Dallas doesn't yet have the depth to push him into a role that he is better suited for, and if trading him yields a great prospect or an NHLer and a high pick, the team should probably move him.

The vets need to be cleared out so that younger core players can take more responsibility.

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Seems like dallas fans are just bitter at their vets for not making the playoffs, thing is their team wasnt deep enough.
Not just one year, but the last 4.

And we're switching over from the old core to a new, younger core of Benn, Eriksson, Daley, Goligoski, Larsen, Lehtonen, etc. with Benn, Eriksson, and Lehtonen being the main pieces.

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06-03-2012, 04:15 PM
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You still needs vets for the playoffs by getting rid of all of them isnt usually a good idea. Cause getting new ones at the deadline will clost more than what you can sell your vets for.

Id say the issue was not having any other young players that actually contributed besides larsen, so maybe thisbyear when your prospects contribute when benn or ribeiro get hurt then you would make up those 5ish points.

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06-03-2012, 04:16 PM
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Basically just let your prospects develop and dont get rid of the players that when healthy contributed to wins.

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06-03-2012, 04:17 PM
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You arent in calgarys position you have a good core and at a fairly young age so selling your vets which arent that old is just making it longer til you make playoffs and compete.

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You still needs vets for the playoffs by getting rid of all of them isnt usually a good idea. Cause getting new ones at the deadline will clost more than what you can sell your vets for.

Id say the issue was not having any other young players that actually contributed besides larsen, so maybe thisbyear when your prospects contribute when benn or ribeiro get hurt then you would make up those 5ish points.
Chances are we won't get rid of all of them. Morrow and Robidas are likely, but if we don't get the right offer, Ribeiro and Ott will stay.

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Ribeiro+Morrow for Gunnarsson+Bozak+Armstrong+Colborne.

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Ribeiro+Morrow for Gunnarsson+Bozak+Armstrong+Colborne.
We don't need a bunch of 3rd/4th liners and a project center.

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06-03-2012, 04:31 PM
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Think you should keep them
Til deadline then trade then if out of playoffs.

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Think you should keep them
Til deadline then trade then if out of playoffs.
We're not planning on contending this year. I'd rather sell them off for younger, NHL ready players this year and get a solid pick in what's shaping up to be an amazing draft then pick 13th or 14th again while still not having playoff hockey.

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06-03-2012, 04:35 PM
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To keep players in town you will have to start competing.

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To keep players in town you will have to start competing.
When you get a clue, then you can talk about what we need. There's not a single poster on the Stars' board that would agree.

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06-03-2012, 04:42 PM
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Basically just let your prospects develop and dont get rid of the players that when healthy contributed to wins.
Morrow was a liability last season and wasn't just because of the injuries he was dealing. Robidas is a problem because Dallas seems to believe that he can handle top pairing minutes when it is clear he should be getting third pairing minutes. There's also potential leadership/attitude issues with both players coming from their comments about losing games and missing the playoffs. Dallas shouldn't just give these two players away, but if they get a decent offer then they should be moved.

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Does Morrow have anything left in the tank?

I think Dallas would be better off hoping he rebounds (and increases his value) and then trading him as a rental at the deadline. He's the type of player I could see a team adding for a playoff push, butnot wanting to commit 4M to for a full season.

(if he can rebound, he'd look great next to Hodgson and Vanek).

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