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06-22-2012, 11:33 PM
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not letting myself get excited about that prospect.
Agreed. Don't want another Yu Darvish type expectation only to be let down again.

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That was one of the better NBA Finals in a few years.. Will likely happen a few more times within the next decade or so.
Really? Not for me. It was a sweep, in my eyes. Game 2 could have been different if the right call was made... But Miami wanted it more and OKC are still learning.

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Let's not forget Jordan, he def won on his own...with Pippen/Rodman, 2 HOF'ers, among others.. .
Bosh, Lebron, & Wade were all franchise players... Was Pippen/Rodman franchise guys? No. They were good role players. Remember Utah? They had Malone, Stockton, Hornacek... and never won. You need an elite guy. I'm happy for Lebron. Must be nice finally winning something, but he could not win on his own with Cleveland, which at the time, they had a good team.

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06-23-2012, 12:43 AM
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Bosh, Lebron, & Wade were all franchise players... Was Pippen/Rodman franchise guys? No. They were good role players. Remember Utah? They had Malone, Stockton, Hornacek... and never won. You need an elite guy. I'm happy for Lebron. Must be nice finally winning something, but he could not win on his own with Cleveland, which at the time, they had a good team.
pippen wasnt a franchise player?......................

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Bosh, Lebron, & Wade were all franchise players... Was Pippen/Rodman franchise guys? No. They were good role players. Remember Utah? They had Malone, Stockton, Hornacek... and never won. You need an elite guy. I'm happy for Lebron. Must be nice finally winning something, but he could not win on his own with Cleveland, which at the time, they had a good team.
Okay I'll give you Rodman, but he was still an elite rebounder and defender. Also Pippen wasn't a "franchise guy? No. He was a good role player?" Uh... watch more basketball buddy.

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Okay I'll give you Rodman, but he was still an elite rebounder and defender. Also Pippen wasn't a "franchise guy? No. He was a good role player?" Uh... watch more basketball buddy.
I would go as far to say, Rodman's defensive contributions far outweigh Bosh's offensive contributions, since Rodman's O and Bosh's D are a write off. Miami is 2 superstars and a great player.

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Bosh, Lebron, & Wade were all franchise players... Was Pippen/Rodman franchise guys? No. They were good role players. Remember Utah? They had Malone, Stockton, Hornacek... and never won. You need an elite guy. I'm happy for Lebron. Must be nice finally winning something, but he could not win on his own with Cleveland, which at the time, they had a good team.
Pippen was as franchise player as a franchise player gets.

But the issue with Lebron wasn't that he needed another superstar around to win, it was that he forced his way out of a city and conspired with 2 other superstars to join a single team to win.

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Pippen was as franchise player as a franchise player gets.

But the issue with Lebron wasn't that he needed another superstar around to win, it was that he forced his way out of a city and conspired with 2 other superstars to join a single team to win.
His contract ended, how is that forcing your way out? He never demanded a trade or complained while in Cleveland. As far as I'm concerned, if you're a free agent you should be allowed to go wherever the hell you want to go.

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The Sun is reprting that Raptors were very impressed with John Hensen's workout and have expanded their draft wishlist which may include Hensen now.
He's projected to be a defensive stopper at the C or PF position in the mold of Marcus Camby.

Davis and Hensen. Having a NC frontcourt is tempting, even if we have Valanciunas and Bargs!

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Really? Not for me. It was a sweep, in my eyes. Game 2 could have been different if the right call was made... But Miami wanted it more and OKC are still learning.
Lol you didn't watch the games then.. The games were intense. Every game was close until the end. That's why it was one of the better finals.. And then you had Westbrook and Durant, Wade and Lebron each possession.. It was awesome.

Oh and btw, Dennis Rodman is one of the best rebounders of all-time.. He just didn't play as much as he should've to be considered..

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So Golden State and Chicago talking trade. Something around Deng and GS's 1st round pick.

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I'm getting pretty excited for the draft. I'm hoping for Damian Lillard but I think Portland will pick him. Who are you guys hoping for?

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MKG as he fills a need at SF.

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ladies and gentlemen, your Dallas Mavericks!


...what? It's the Charlotte Bobcats? You sure about that? I'm pretty certain those are the Mavs. Really? Ok, if you say so.


Pretty lame rebrand. the "cats" thing is allegedly a totally-not-on-purpose symbolic cutting of ties with original owner Bob Johnson, but it just looks dumb. Like putting "Sens" on the front of those Ottawa alternates, or "Bolts" on the Tampa alts. Fan nicknames are fan nicknames, not things you stick on your uniform. The lighter blue is a total suck up move to a legion of UNC fans (yes, I know it's "Carolina Blue" and that the Carolina Panthers wear it too, but for basketball it's 99.99% identifiable with the Tar Heels.), and they've totally destroyed any sense of identity or uniqueness they used to have as they now look strikingly similar to the Mavericks and, less obviously, the Memphis Grizzlies. The Orange/drab blue combo they used to use was actually a lot more unique, and I liked their bluish pinstriped uni.

But realistically, they're just biding their time until New Orleans switches names and they can retake the "Hornets" nickname. How confusing will that be though? Being the Charlotte Hornets when the original Charlotte Hornets are still in the league? I know the 2.0 Jets are doing the same thing, but it'd been like 15+ years since the move so the old school Jets weren't quite so prominent in the league-wide public conscience.


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MKG as he fills a need at SF.
but his biggest question mark is what the team needs most out of a SF addition: scoring. I like all the other things he brings, but for the Raptors, Barnes would probably be a better choice. Not that I think either are going to be available at 8 more than likely.

realistically at 8 it seems like the most probable players to be there that could work out for Toronto are Lillard, Lamb, Waiters, with an outside shot at Barnes or MKG only if things play out just right (the Bobcats take Robinson, the Kings take Lillard, and the Warriors either decide not to take a SF or trade their pick to someone who doesn't want one either. Leaving only Cleveland in the top 7 as someone taking one of the two SFs)

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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ng-up-in-draft

Houston reportedly wants to move up in the draft (there's some word they're high on Andre Drummond) and Toronto is a team they've apparently talked to.


Trade them the 8th for Kyle Lowry and the 14th or 16th. I'd have zero problem with that. At that point they still could potentially get a solid player. Austin Rivers could still be there if Phoenix doesn't take him at 13. Perry Jones could still be there (and would be a good enough value at that point to take a chance on him). Waiters still might be there. Andrew Nicholson might be a logjam at PF, but they could always unload Davis in the trade and he would be a good backup.

Like everything else, I'm not getting my hopes up on something like this, but I think that I would prefer a scenario like this to just keeping the pick.

The kink is that they've apparently talked to Sacramento too about the #5 pick, and there's been a lot of mocks that forecast Drummond to go #6 to Portland, so that would pretty much torch any plans like this unless they can make the trade ahead of time.


EDIT: There's also a video on ESPN in which Chad Ford notes that apparently Waiters has received a promise from a team, cancelling his workouts after just one day at the Chicago combine. He believes that the promise would've likely come from one of Portland, Toronto, or Phoenix. If Waiters goes off the board at 6 (And Ford believes this is a possibility), and I were Bryan Colangelo, I would be hammering the speed dial button for Daryl Morey in Houston trying to tell them that I'll take Drummond for them and package him and Davis in exchange for Lowry and 14.


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Well Portland might take one of the PG's at #6.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them take Lillard at #6 if Sac-Town doesn't.

8th overall
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16th and PG Kyle Lowry

Draft Perry Jones, or maybe a Quincy Miller.

We'd come out ahead.

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I saw BC at Ciao last night in yorkville having dinner with an someone that appeared to be a prospect. I couldn't get close enough to see who the player was, but based on non verbal, he seemed very uncomfortable lol. he wasn't overly tall though...

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For what it's worth...

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David Locke: Reports Houston is offering #16 and Kyle Lowry to Toronto for #8 - if Jazz had gotten lucky they would have #8 would u do deal as Utah? 1 minute ago
Take this deal and RUN in my opinion...

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So with the news the Rockets want to acquire two top-10 picks to send in a package to Orlando for Dwight Howard, I propose:

To Toronto:
PG Kyle Lowry
1st round pick 2012 (16th overall)
JJ Redick(salary dump?)

To Houston:
C Dwight Howard

To Orlando:
8th overall
14th overall
Patterson
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Budinger
Amir Johnson

Or something.

Still with Houston wanting to trade up into the top-10, it wouldn't be too dependent on the prospect that is at hand. It could be advantageous to us.

Also, Luol Deng might be traded soon to a lottery team.

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Take this deal and RUN in my opinion...
I'd do it if I was BC. At #16 we wouldn't be downgrading a whole lot in terms of prospect. Getting Lowry in the process would be huge.

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I'd do it if I was BC. At #16 we wouldn't be downgrading a whole lot in terms of prospect. Getting Lowry in the process would be huge.
Any idea of who we'd be looking at with 16? I'm reading Harkless' name alot.

What about the chances of trading 16++ for Gay or Iggy?

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Why is Houston trading for Dwight? He wouldn't resign with them.

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Any idea of who we'd be looking at with 16? I'm reading Harkless' name alot.

What about the chances of trading 16++ for Gay or Iggy?
I doubt we get either for the 16th. Definitely not Gay, and I think Philly wants something closer to the lottery for Iggy.

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on a guy like Quincy Miller with the 16th pick given his workouts pan out. Moe Harkless lacks too much offense for me to take him. Miller's issues regarding ACL and athleticism aren't enough for me to not take him. If we work him out and he's good in those regards, I'd take him. His scoring potential is great, in addition to his ridiculous build.

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To further add to the speculation:

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https://twitter.com/Klow7/status/217067898521399296

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Take this deal and RUN in my opinion...
absolutely. This draft really evens out in terms of 1st round talent once you get past the first handful of guys (Davis, Beal, MKG, Robinson, Barnes) The difference between who we would get at 8 and at 16 is far less significant than the addition of Lowry.


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Any idea of who we'd be looking at with 16? I'm reading Harkless' name alot.

What about the chances of trading 16++ for Gay or Iggy?
No way Gay or Igoudala could be had for the 16th. it'd almost certainly take the 8th +.

as for who to take at 16, there would probably be a ton of options. Perry Jones could still be there. Quincy Miller would probably be there and worth the risk. They could take a risk with Royce White. They could go local with Andrew Nicholson (though that would require a secondary trade to free up a spot at PF for him). It almost doesn't matter what they do, as the main prize for trading the 8th would be Lowry. that's almost better than anything this draft provides. Anything positive they get out of the 16th pick would be proverbial gravy.

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