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06-05-2012, 01:03 AM
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For every Canucks fan saying Gardiner And/Or 5th there is an equally stupid Leafs fan who thinks Komisarek + 7th Rounder.

I think sane fans from both organizations can say that the value will be somewhere between the 2 extremes.

Schenn + Kulemin + Ashton
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Luongo + 2nd

or

Schenn + Kadri + Ashton
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Luongo + Schroeder + 2nd
Agreed.

As for those proposals, if I had to choose it would definitely be the second one.

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06-05-2012, 01:04 AM
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I think most fans will be dissapointed with what the return may be because Burke has proven over and over again aside from PK trade that he can make high-end trade with minimal/quantity return especially if we are talking about a player that is signed for a long-term. just my two cents.
But you don't have any other high end players... what trade could you possibly be talking about?

Even in Anaheim he did more by dumping crappy contracts than making trades. He did do a good job of getting both Sedins, but that is a while back now and he did give up some pieces.

Actually some Leafs guy made a list of most of Burke's trades, and none of them look especially impressive:

Atlanta Thrashers

Rick Dudley:
(2001 – Dudley with Florida) Adrian Aucoin for Dan Cloutier

Don Waddell
2003 – Jeff Farkas for Chris Herperger and Chris Nielsen
2005 – Mark Popovic for Kip Brennan
2006 – Jani Hurme for Joel Stepp
2006 – Vitaly Vishnesvski for Karl Steward & 2nd round pick
2008 – Mathieu Schneider for Ken Klee, Brad Larsen and Chad Painchaud
2009 – Pavel Kubina and Tim Stapleton for Garnet Exelby and Colin Stuart

New York Rangers - Glen Sather
2004 – RJ Umberger and Martin Grenier for Martin Rucinsky
2005 – Trevor Gillies for Steve Rucchin
2006 – Petr Sykora for Maxim Kondratiev
2006 – Sandis Ozolinsh for 3rd round pick

Anaheim Ducks - Bob Murray
1999 – (Murray with Chicago) Bryan McCabe and 1st round pick (2000) for Henrik Sedin (3rd overall selection)
2009 – Conditional pick for Brad May
2010 – Vesa Toskala & Jason Blake for J.S. Gigeure

Carolina Hurricanes - Jim Rutherford
2002 – Jan Hlavac/Druken for Marek Malik/Langdon
2005 – Craig Adams for Bruno St. Jacques
2010 – Jiri Tlusty for Philippe Paradis

Boston Bruins - Peter Chiarelli
2006 – Stanislav Chistov for 3rd round pick
2007 – Brett Skinner and Mark Saunders for Mark Mowers
2009 – 2010/2011 1st round pick + 2nd round pick for Phil Kessel

Los Angeles Kings - Dean Lombardi
2008 – Sean O’Donnell for 2009 conditional pick
2008 – Jean-Sebastian Aubin for 7th round pick
2008 – 1st round pick for 2 1st round picks (draft trade down)

Calgary Flames - Darryl Sutter
2009 – Colin Stuart, Anton Stralman + 7th round for Wayne Primeau + 2nd round
2010 – Hagman, Mayers, Stajan, and White for Aulie, Phaneuf and Sjostrom

New Jersey Devils - Lou Lamoriello
2000 – Alexander Mogilny for Denis Pederson and Brendan Morrison
2003 – Steve Kariya for Mikko Jokela

Ottawa Seantors - Bryan Murray
1999 (Murray with Florida) – Pavel Bure, Bret Hedican, Brad Ference and 3rd round pick for Ed Jovanovski, Dave Gagner, Mike Brown, Kevin Weekes, 1st round pick 2000 (Nathan Smith)

Washington Capitals - George McPhee
2001 – 1st round for Trevor Linden
2006 – 2nd round pick for Jeff Friesen

St. Louis Blues - Larry Pleau
2004 – Ryan Ready for Sergei Varlamov
2007 – Future considerations for Brandon Segal

Nashville Predators - David Poile
2003 – Future considerations for Wade Brookbank

Florida Panthers - Dale Tallon
2006 (with Chicago) – Bruno St. Jacques and Pierre Parenteau for Sebastien Caron, Matt Keith and Chris Burno

New York Islanders – Garth Snow
2008 – Marc-Andre Bergeron for 3rd round pick

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For every Canucks fan saying Gardiner And/Or 5th there is an equally stupid Leafs fan who thinks Komisarek + 7th Rounder.

I think sane fans from both organizations can say that the value will be somewhere between the 2 extremes.

Schenn + Kulemin + Ashton
for
Luongo + 2nd

or

Schenn + Kadri + Ashton
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Luongo + Schroeder + 2nd
I am liking this more and more...Perhaps swap Kadri for Colborne in the second trade,only Because he is way bigger

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06-05-2012, 01:06 AM
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The same Canuck fans that booed Luongo in the SCF? The same Canuck fans that have had an agenda over the past 2 or 3 years to point out his shortcomings and has ignored his success?
every team needs a scape goat. No one will be booing Kesler or the Sedins even though they did practically nothing in the finals.

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06-05-2012, 01:07 AM
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Agreed.

As for those proposals, if I had to choose it would definitely be the second one.
If I had to choose as well, I also would pick the 2nd. Personally I think Kulemin >= Kadri at this point.

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06-05-2012, 01:08 AM
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Keep dreaming Canucks fans.
Oh, we won't need to dream about Leafs, Blue Jays, and the Raptors to miss the playoffs again. How long has it been again?

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I'd rather not have anything to do with Schenn.

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06-05-2012, 01:11 AM
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I'd rather not have anything to do with Schenn.
well you can't just throw him under the bus for one off season...Schenn,Colborne,and Ashton would be a fine package IMO...plus allow us to trade Ballard

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06-05-2012, 01:12 AM
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These are the sorts of returns I'd be looking for (not Vokoun to Florida).

Disagree if you like, add to it, and let's keep it civil ladies and gentlemen.
Two big differences. Not a single one of those G were forcing their team to trade them. None of them had a monster contract.

Van has to trade one of their goalies. The crap and abuse Lu has put up with seem to make him the odd guy out (as with AV starting CS for the last few playoff games). That's a knock against his return.

His contract. Honestly it's not that bad. Cap wise it's very manageable. However it's a rich teams contract. A team like Toronto/etc who make money hand over fist like this contract. It gets them a #1 goalie for a great cap hit. The extra years mean little. Worse case they send him to the minors (assuming he doesn't retire before that). Winning means a ton more than what they'd be paying him. However that contract could be tough to swallow for a less rich team. A team like Tampa/CBJ/etc who can't afford (budget wise) to send him to the minors should his game falter before he's reached the last couple seasons (where the salary is peanuts).

So unfortunately for Van fans both of these factors affect his trade value. In addition there's not a lot of teams looking for a high paid #1 netminder. Good news is Vokoun is off the market. So unless they want to take a gamble on Harding, they're going to have to make a trade with someone for a goalie.

But Van isn't going to net what Vokoun or some of the others in the OP did. However neither is a team doing Van a favor by taking him. He's going to fetch something. Would personally expect to see some young guy (2nd liner/2nd pairing D), a decent (but not great) prospect, and perhaps an early 2nd or a late 1st. There might be some salary going back, but it won't be some ******** contract like Komi's.

I think we're going to see Van fans pissed at the return, and his new team will be divided between claiming a steal and pissed at an overpayment for doing Van a favor.

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I am liking this more and more...Perhaps swap Kadri for Colborne in the second trade,only Because he is way bigger
I know Colborne is bigger, but I just see a lot more upside in Kadri.
Outside of Hodgson we haven't had a real blue chip prospect in quite some time.

Kadri should be ready for NHL action next year and our 3rd line job is definitely open.

While Kadri isn't as big as Colborne we still have Jensen/Kassian/Ashton all playing the wings who all have strong builds and should provide youth/size when they play in the NHL.

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i am guessing it will be kulemin and schenn for luongo
This I would do easily. Schenn gives us size on the blueline and the potential to be a Kronwall lite. While Kulemin either adds depth on the third line or solidifies the second.

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The same Canuck fans that booed Luongo in the SCF? The same Canuck fans that have had an agenda over the past 2 or 3 years to point out his shortcomings and has ignored his success?
Yep, those same irrational semi-******** fans.

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I'd rather not have anything to do with Schenn.
I have watched him through his good season and if he rebounds, we would have on quality asset. The kid needs a change of scenery and be allowed to come into his own devoid of the pressure Toronto played on him.

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06-05-2012, 01:16 AM
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I know Colborne is bigger, but I just see a lot more upside in Kadri.
Outside of Hodgson we haven't had a real blue chip prospect in quite some time.

Kadri should be ready for NHL action next year and our 3rd line job is definitely open.

While Kadri isn't as big as Colborne we still have Jensen/Kassian/Ashton all playing the wings who all have strong builds and should provide youth/size when they play in the NHL.
You think you're getting Kadri. lol


Not only does it not fit what we're doing here, Even if you got him where are you going to play him 3rd line center?

Names like Kadri, Schenn, Gardiner, Kulemin, Colborne these are names that just aren't avaiable for Luongo. Look at the Brian Campbell deal, That's about the frame work we're dealing with here.

I'm sure now Canucks fan will say "fine then you're not getting him" and I really can't emphasize enough how we really don't care. We won't loose any sleep over it cause there are more sensible options via trade or even still free agency.


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I can't see Burke trading his most physical forward and defenseman (Kuli/Schenn) in the same trade.

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If I had to choose as well, I also would pick the 2nd. Personally I think Kulemin >= Kadri at this point.
I wouldn't be opposed to either.

While he doesn't have the size of Kulemin, Raymond does bring a comparable skill set (same offensive upside, decent defensively, fast). The only real difference is their size which is something Gillis wanted to address.

Schroeder is also appearing to be NHL ready and his defensive play has come a long way this past season (his offense wasn't great but Mac-T played him in all situations and not exclusively as an offensive player).

Toronto
Roberto Luongo - Addresses goaltending
Jordan Schroeder - Assumes top center prospect role
2nd Round Pick - Gives the Leafs a late 2nd

Vancouver
Luke Schenn - RH physical d-man with strong upside
Nazem Kadri - Assumes Keslers spot, and then moves down to 3C/top C prospect
Carter Ashton - Gives Vancouver another big, young winger with top 6 upside.

Addresses needs for both organizations.

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Luongo for Patrick Kane

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You think you're getting Kadri. lol


Not only does it not fit what we're doing here, Even if you got him where are you going to play him 3rd line center?
Well we do have a large gaping hole at 3rd line center next season....

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I wouldn't be opposed to either.

While he doesn't have the size of Kulemin, Raymond does bring a comparable skill set (same offensive upside, decent defensively, fast). The only real difference is their size which is something Gillis wanted to address.

Schroeder is also appearing to be NHL ready and his defensive play has come a long way this past season (his offense wasn't great but Mac-T played him in all situations and not exclusively as an offensive player).

Toronto
Roberto Luongo - Addresses goaltending
Jordan Schroeder - Assumes top center prospect role
2nd Round Pick - Gives the Leafs a late 2nd

Vancouver
Luke Schenn - RH physical d-man with strong upside
Nazem Kadri - Assumes Keslers spot, and then moves down to 3C/top C prospect
Carter Ashton - Gives Vancouver another big, young winger with top 6 upside.

Addresses needs for both organizations.
That deal makes the Leafs smaller. Schroeder is completely opposite of what we need.

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I have watched him through his good season and if he rebounds, we would have on quality asset. The kid needs a change of scenery and be allowed to come into his own devoid of the pressure Toronto played on him.
He doesn't need a change of scenery. He needs to get back to doing simple things. Like he did in his first and third season.

I've a very hard time believing that Burke would give up Schenn when his only coach has been Ron Wilson...who doesn't employ defense at all.

Schenn is most devastating when he absolutely takes the board play away by his hits. He needs to shed some weight, and fix his skating.

I can't see Burke trading Schenn before at least seeing what he can get done under Carlyle.

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I wouldn't be opposed to either.

While he doesn't have the size of Kulemin, Raymond does bring a comparable skill set (same offensive upside, decent defensively, fast). The only real difference is their size which is something Gillis wanted to address.

Schroeder is also appearing to be NHL ready and his defensive play has come a long way this past season (his offense wasn't great but Mac-T played him in all situations and not exclusively as an offensive player).

Toronto
Roberto Luongo - Addresses goaltending
Jordan Schroeder - Assumes top center prospect role
2nd Round Pick - Gives the Leafs a late 2nd

Vancouver
Luke Schenn - RH physical d-man with strong upside
Nazem Kadri - Assumes Keslers spot, and then moves down to 3C/top C prospect
Carter Ashton - Gives Vancouver another big, young winger with top 6 upside.

Addresses needs for both organizations.
The trade is possible, all comes down to how badly Luongo wants out of Vancouver and how many teams are legitimately interested in him which is why there is the constant large discrepancy of his value.

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That deal makes the Leafs smaller. Schroeder is completely opposite of what we need.
While he may not be the biggest player, is he really much smaller than Kadri?

Obviously everyone would like it if Schroeder was 6'3 215, but if Kadri comes over it leaves Toronto relatively thin at center prospects. Schroeder is our best/only real center prospect so it would be filling an organizational need for the leafs.

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I wouldn't be opposed to either.

While he doesn't have the size of Kulemin, Raymond does bring a comparable skill set (same offensive upside, decent defensively, fast). The only real difference is their size which is something Gillis wanted to address.

Schroeder is also appearing to be NHL ready and his defensive play has come a long way this past season (his offense wasn't great but Mac-T played him in all situations and not exclusively as an offensive player).

Toronto
Roberto Luongo - Addresses goaltending
Jordan Schroeder - Assumes top center prospect role
2nd Round Pick - Gives the Leafs a late 2nd

Vancouver
Luke Schenn - RH physical d-man with strong upside
Nazem Kadri - Assumes Keslers spot, and then moves down to 3C/top C prospect
Carter Ashton - Gives Vancouver another big, young winger with top 6 upside.

Addresses needs for both organizations.
No thank you. Don't like Schenn as the main piece of a deal, and I personally am not a fan of Kadri. I'd rather stick with Schroeder than Kadri to be honest. I like Ashton, but he has limited offensive upside (2nd liner).

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Eric Francis is proof enough that Calgary journalists have no pulse on the nhl.

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7 minutes before the trade was announced.
see there is a problem with your logic. Anyone that knows anything about Eric Francis knows he is a hack that only has a job because of his mommy, Eric Francis's name should never be used in the same sentence as the word journalist unless it is saying he is not a journalist.

And Eric Duhatschek is a very credible NHL journalist, and where is he a journalist.....? right, Calgary.

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