Seriously though, I would do it in a heartbeat. But I think the Oilers would want the pot sweetened a little more. Or do you think they would do it straight up?
Are they both making relatively the same amount of cash?
Seriously though, I would do it in a heartbeat. But I think the Oilers would want the pot sweetened a little more. Or do you think they would do it straight up?
Are they both making relatively the same amount of cash?
Kaberle: 2.9
Brewer: 2.65
Btw, I would not make the trade. I feel like Brewer's one of the most overrated players in the game. Having seen him at the World Cup, NHL, and Olympics, I cannot understand what is so great about him, I just don't see it.
I would consider trading the two but i'm not sure theres any point.The bit of physical edge you gain with Brewer you lose on Kaberles offense.
Sideways deal.
Btw, I would not make the trade. I feel like Brewer's one of the most overrated players in the game. Having seen him at the World Cup, NHL, and Olympics, I cannot understand what is so great about him, I just don't see it.
You don't see the smooth skating and strong presence on D?
Although Kaberle also has those qualities and some more than Brewer, yet Brewer also has some that Kaberle doesn't have.
Overall I think he is just a reliable defenceman back there.
But the deciding factor I would go with Brewer is that he is tougher and he will hit when he sees the opportunity. To me that's huge because it makes those speedy wingers look up which costs them a second when streaking down the wing.
If a winger knows Kaberle is back there, they know that he will challenge them for the puck, but they also know that Kaberle won't take them out with a big hit which allows them to go full force.
Mind you there are different effective ways to take out players, but I feel that the likes of Primeau need to be taken out with a big hit.
For example, Primeau taking liberties with Belfour for two years in a row. I think Brewer would be much more inclined to drop them then Kaberle.
You don't see the smooth skating and strong presence on D?
Although Kaberle also has those qualities and some more than Brewer, yet Brewer also has some that Kaberle doesn't have.
Overall I think he is just a reliable defenceman back there.
But the deciding factor I would go with Brewer is that he is tougher and he will hit when he sees the opportunity. To me that's huge because it makes those speedy wingers look up which costs them a second when streaking down the wing.
If a winger knows Kaberle is back there, they know that he will challenge them for the puck, but they also know that Kaberle won't take them out with a big hit which allows them to go full force.
Mind you there are different effective ways to take out players, but I feel that the likes of Primeau need to be taken out with a big hit.
For example, Primeau taking liberties with Belfour for two years in a row. I think Brewer would be much more inclined to drop them then Kaberle.
Nicklas Lidstrom and Scott Niedermayer have done extremely well without being big hitters.
Nicklas Lidstrom and Scott Niedermayer have done extremely well without being big hitters.
Yeah that's a good point.
I don't mind Kaberle most times, but the thing that irks me the most about him is that when he is skating out of his own zone, sometimes he will turn back and I've seen him being outmuscled when getting fancy like that. I don't know if he is doing that to allow his teammates to do a line change. There must be a reason but I just don't see it.
We all know he is pretty smooth and can handle the puck, but that move of turning back can be costly at the most inopportune times...like a playoff game.
Actually Kaberle reminds me a lot of Paul Coffey. Great skating and passing, but sometimes Paul use to do that as well which is turn back in his own end and he would cough up the puck too.
I think if Kaberle can keep it a little more simpler, he could be like Nick and Scott.
Right now he's a poor man's Lidstrom.
I don't mind Kaberle most times, but the thing that irks me the most about him is that when he is skating out of his own zone, sometimes he will turn back and I've seen him being outmuscled when getting fancy like that. I don't know if he is doing that to allow his teammates to do a line change. There must be a reason but I just don't see it.
We all know he is pretty smooth and can handle the puck, but that move of turning back can be costly at the most inopportune times...like a playoff game.
Actually Kaberle reminds me a lot of Paul Coffey. Great skating and passing, but sometimes Paul use to do that as well which is turn back in his own end and he would cough up the puck too.
I think if Kaberle can keep it a little more simpler, he could be like Nick and Scott.
Right now he's a poor man's Lidstrom.
They're about the same age with roughly the same salary. That's about all the similarities.
Defensively
Eric > Thomas
Although one could make the case for similarity there as well. But I'll give that edge to Eric. You know he's tougher blah, blah, blah.
Puck Movement
Thomas > Eric
Offensive contribution (pts. wise)
Thomas >>>>> Eric
I might consider it, but it wouldn't exactly be a slamdunk split second decision. I am rather fond of Tomas, and whereas Brewer is supposed to have a whole lot of potential, I have been hearing that for a tad too long now...
Also while +/- is a rather flawed stat and I have been getting numerous rebutals form Oilers fans, it is rather striking that Kaberle has lead his team over the past two seasons whereas Brewer has been one of the very worst guys on his team three years straight.
Nope. I like Kaberle's game and have some hopes that he will throw off last year's disappointments and grow his body and grow his game.
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The only defencemen I would trade Kaberle to get would be Pronger and Niedermeyer, and they're both going to be UFA. At forward it would take the acquisition of a Thornton or something of that nature to make me consider giving him up.
Why is Kaberle always the one being traded?
You want to trade our only really good core player under 28? Does that make sense to you?
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The only defencemen I would trade Kaberle to get would be Pronger and Niedermeyer, and they're both going to be UFA. At forward it would take the acquisition of a Thornton or something of that nature to make me consider giving him up.
Well, there are a bunch of other guys I would trade him for. (think Jay Bouwmeester for instance) It is not an incredibly huge list though.
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Why is Kaberle always the one being traded?
You want to trade our only really good core player under 28? Does that make sense to you?
Seems to me the cause of the perception that everybody wants to trade Kaberle is a bunch of nitwits who mistake a relative lack of physicality as synonymous with bad defensive play who keep proposing trades...
Seems to me the cause of the perception that everybody wants to trade Kaberle is a bunch of nitwits who mistake a relative lack of physicality as synonymous with bad defensive play who keep proposing trades...
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DutchLeafsfan says in one sentence what others take paragraphs, and with no loss of substance.
Btw, I would not make the trade. I feel like Brewer's one of the most overrated players in the game. Having seen him at the World Cup, NHL, and Olympics, I cannot understand what is so great about him, I just don't see it.
Brewer is vastly overrated. I don't see him ever having the offensive skills that Kabs has, AND Brewer isn't the best defensive defenceman, either. Brewer = Overrated.
I think Kaberle would be missed if traded. He is still the best Leaf Defenseman at skating and passing the puck out of his own end. It's his play within 5 feet of the net that is lacking. He does make some thoughtless plays once in a while but don't we all (see McCabe)
I know that once he is traded, his 40-50 points a season will be sorely missed. Leetch will be gone...McCabe can't do it all by himself. Coli isn't ready to take on that role or even proven at the NHL level. Brewer won't replace his offense.
Nope. Not too bad of a proposal, but Brewer's never lived up to his vast potential and at this point I don't expect it to happen.
He won't replace Kaberle's offence, and while he's more physical I'm not sure his positional play is as solid as Kaberle's.
Th biggest factor for me turning it down is the simple fact that I don't feel Brewer has progressed at all in the last few years, whereas I still firmly believe Kaberle hasn't yet peaked.
I used to love Brewer, but he's not developed as I'd expected. He's no more then a solid #3 D-Man, and frankly I don't feel he'll ever become much more.
Still a very nice guy to have, and reasonably close to Kaberle right now but in the long term I think Kaberle will clearly show himself superior.
Honestly, I'm more interested in dealing McCabe, and I think McCabe has more trade value then Kaberle after last season anyway.
I would definately.... I can't stand Kaberle...he like Poti. Eric Brewer is pretty good and can hit.
I know I'm not a leaf fan but I get special privaleges because I live in the city and am surrounded by buds fans and most of the people I interact with are leafs fan. I also get privaleges because thats all I can watch on TV . They don't air the rangers in Mississauga. Isn't that stupid?
I also have the privaleges because i have to see Don Cherry talk about how Tie Domi is better than every other player in the nhl.
eric Brewer over rated? He plays on a run and gun hockey team, he holds what little defence that team plas together, and you call him over rated. There's a really good reason he keeps getting picked for team Canada, and that's cause the kid can play. I like Kaberle, but Brewer brings a great dimension to your team, and he can be a leader, skill I don't think Kaberle has. Reality is though I would like to keep Kaberle, get Brewer and have a top four of McCabe, Coliaiacovo, Brewer and Kaberle.
eric Brewer over rated? He plays on a run and gun hockey team, he holds what little defence that team plas together, and you call him over rated. There's a really good reason he keeps getting picked for team Canada, and that's cause the kid can play. I like Kaberle, but Brewer brings a great dimension to your team, and he can be a leader, skill I don't think Kaberle has. Reality is though I would like to keep Kaberle, get Brewer and have a top four of McCabe, Coliaiacovo, Brewer and Kaberle.
You know what advantage he has in getting selected to team Canada?
It is not an incredibly huge list though.
. They don't air the rangers in Mississauga. Isn't that stupid? 
