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05-30-2012, 12:19 PM
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Marc Staal to Carolina

Just curious to see what NYR would want? Everyone's talking about Jordan and there seems to be a bit of a theme of the 'Canes wanting all four brothers at some point. So just curious to get a feel for what (if anything) the Rangers would want from Carolina in order to make a trade. And if nothing else, there're 50 million Jordan threads, so it's about time Marc got one for himself

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Skinner. Or Sutter/Faulk.

So, in other words, not gonna happen.

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Skinner. Or Sutter/Faulk.

So, in other words, not gonna happen.
Pretty much.

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Skinner. Or Sutter/Faulk.

So, in other words, not gonna happen.
Sutter for Staal would seem to make sense to me.

Skinner though? Skinner >> Staal...

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Sutter for Staal would seem to make sense to me.

Skinner though? Skinner >> Staal...
I would do Sutter for Staal.

Do the Hurricanes need defense though?

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I would do Sutter for Staal.

Do the Hurricanes need defense though?
the reply was Skinner or Sutter/Faulk

Which means we get either Skinner

or

Sutter AND Faulk

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Sutter for Staal would seem to make sense to me.

Skinner though? Skinner >> Staal...
Not sure I agree, but we can agree to disagree.

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the reply was Skinner or Sutter/Faulk

Which means we get either Skinner

or

Sutter AND Faulk
I will politely say no thanks then..

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05-30-2012, 12:40 PM
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Yeah I think Faulk would have to be in the deal. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have his shot on our blue line but more would likely have to be given.

I think do Staal + 2013 2nd for Faulk, Pitkanen, 2013 1st.

or Staal, 2nd for Faulk & McBain


Other Rangers fans may think its underpayment (the first deal), but I think we'd benefit from adding 2 dman who are both solid but unspectacular since it will take some minutes from the top 4.
Also, Pitkanen could really help the PP.

I think most impartial fans would consider the 2nd deal around fair value.


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Yeah I think Faulk would have to be in the deal. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have his shot on our blue line but more would likely have to be given.

I'd do Staal + 2013 2nd for Faulk, Pitkanen, 2013 1st.
I think I could get behind that

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I would do Sutter for Staal.

Do the Hurricanes need defense though?
They need another defensive-D to go along with Gleason since it looks like Allen will hit FA.

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Yeah I think Faulk would have to be in the deal. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have his shot on our blue line but more would likely have to be given.

I'd do Staal + 2013 2nd for Faulk, Pitkanen, 2013 1st.

or Staal, 2nd for Faulk & McBain
Faulk is a non-starter but that first proposal is way too much. Take out your 2nd and Faulk and that's fair value.

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I'd do Pitkanen + McBain + 1st for Staal + 2nd. But Faulk's a nonstarter.

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I'd do Pitkanen + McBain + 1st for Staal + 2nd. But Faulk's a nonstarter.
Faulk is a non-starter, but you think you can get Marc Staal for peanuts?

Staal is a non-starter.

We don't want Pitkanen, lol.

McBain would be nice to pair with McDonagh, but we're not giving up Marc Staal for him.

Personally, Id comsider Del Zotto and Dubinsky for McBain and Sutter, but it's basically a lateral move and I can't see either team being overly interested in taking the risk.

But back on topic, you're dreaming if you think you can land Marc Staal for anything less than severe overpayment. Skinner alone wouldn't even be enough.

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Faulk is a non-starter, but you think you can get Marc Staal for peanuts?

Staal is a non-starter.

We don't want Pitkanen, lol.

McBain would be nice to pair with McDonagh, but we're not giving up Marc Staal for him.

Personally, Id comsider Del Zotto and Dubinsky for McBain and Sutter, but it's basically a lateral move and I can't see either team being overly interested in taking the risk.

But back on topic, you're dreaming if you think you can land Marc Staal for anything less than severe overpayment. Skinner alone wouldn't even be enough.
To be fair to them, I put in Pitkanen lol.
I know he's not ideal, but with Faulk & a 1st, I think it would make our d more deep. I think it would be 'fair value', but it would certainly not be an overpayment.

Personally though, if we got McBain & Faulk for him I'd trade him in a heart beat because frankly I think one of the reasons we lost was b/c Girardi and McDonagh were absolutely tired. Doing that trade would give us a top 6 of:

McDonagh-Girardi
MDZ - McBain
Erixon -Faulk

we'd even have money to sign a moderate defensive UFA (Suter ..not srs)

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Faulk is a non-starter, but you think you can get Marc Staal for peanuts?

Staal is a non-starter.

We don't want Pitkanen, lol.

McBain would be nice to pair with McDonagh, but we're not giving up Marc Staal for him.

Personally, Id comsider Del Zotto and Dubinsky for McBain and Sutter, but it's basically a lateral move and I can't see either team being overly interested in taking the risk.

But back on topic, you're dreaming if you think you can land Marc Staal for anything less than severe overpayment. Skinner alone wouldn't even be enough.
And yet it was a Ranger fan who brought him up. I simply took his deal, removed Faulk and added another young, puck-moving defensemen that Carolina has.

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05-30-2012, 01:22 PM
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Staal is not going to get as much as some NYR fans are asking for, I can't see CAR moving Faulk as it doesn't make sense to move a good young dman to get a good young dman plus adding.

Pitkanen and 2013 1st I would say but NYR are pretty deep on the back end, Pitkanen's puck moving will help the team though.

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Staal is not going to get as much as some NYR fans are asking for, I can't see CAR moving Faulk as it doesn't make sense to move a good young dman to get a good young dman plus adding.

Pitkanen and 2013 1st I would say but NYR are pretty deep on the back end, Pitkanen's puck moving will help the team though.
He would though. Why? because he's not being shopped.
If someone approaches you and asks for Skinner you are not going to make a lateral move, you want to be certain you're upgrading, otherwise you'd keep your player.

I mean yeah asking for Skinner + is unrealistic. But asking for a 2nd pairing Dman and a top defensive prospect for a sure fire first pairing guy is VERY reasonable.
Just b/c Staal isn't flashy doesn't mean he won't get a great return. If you were trading Skinner you'd expect at least a top forward prospect & a top six forward.

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Oh that's weird, Carolina fans asking what Rangers fans want for Staal and offering garbage in return. Sounds familiar...

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Oh that's weird, Carolina fans asking what Rangers fans want for Staal and offering garbage in return. Sounds familiar...
A Penguin fan not taking the time to read through the topic and assuming the return is garbage. Sounds familiar...

You'll notice that the topic started by asking what the Rangers wanted and not actually making a proposal, right?

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Oh that's weird, Carolina fans asking what Rangers fans want for Staal and offering garbage in return. Sounds familiar...
I guess they can have revenge for when NYR fans were offering Dubinsky, Roszival and a 2nd for Eric 2-3 years ago ahah

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not happening .

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Faulk is a non-starter, but you think you can get Marc Staal for peanuts?

Staal is a non-starter.

We don't want Pitkanen, lol.

McBain would be nice to pair with McDonagh, but we're not giving up Marc Staal for him.

Personally, Id comsider Del Zotto and Dubinsky for McBain and Sutter, but it's basically a lateral move and I can't see either team being overly interested in taking the risk.

But back on topic, you're dreaming if you think you can land Marc Staal for anything less than severe overpayment. Skinner alone wouldn't even be enough.
Not sure how you go from a simple comment like Faulk is a non-starter to assuming that means the offer is peanuts.

Yes, an overpayment would be in order since he's not being shopped. But to say Skinner alone wouldn't be enough? That's closer to crazy than reality.

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A Penguin fan not taking the time to read through the topic and assuming the return is garbage. Sounds familiar...

You'll notice that the topic started by asking what the Rangers wanted and not actually making a proposal, right?
Yes I did and then when Rangers fans put out their proposal, they were shut down and given counter offers which are bad. The OP was asking what Rangers fans wanted. Clearly, they would want a substantial return since they don't want or have a need to trade Staal. Yet, when presented with what it would take, they were shot down. Did you really expect them to bend over for you?

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Jeffry Skinner or bust.

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Yes I did and then when Rangers fans put out their proposal, they were shut down and given counter offers which are bad. The OP was asking what Rangers fans wanted. Clearly, they would want a substantial return since they don't want or have a need to trade Staal. Yet, when presented with what it would take, they were shot down.
Well then, interested to hear how you think the counters were garbage what you think a fair offer would be from the Canes?

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