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06-13-2012, 10:48 AM
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What? So you're just trolling with no actual point?

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What? So you're just trolling with no actual point?
I don't get your point.

You act like Mike Green is a solid defensemen.

Ya he plays 20 min, so does Wiideman

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I don't get your point.

You act like Mike Green is a solid defensemen.

Ya he plays 20 min, so does Wiideman
Mike Green is a solid defenseman. He'll do more to help us win next year than Yakupov. Did you happen to you know, actually watch the playoffs?

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06-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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Mike Green is a solid defenseman. He'll do more to help us win next year than Yakupov. Did you happen to you know, actually watch the playoffs?
Mike Green is too expensive for how bad he is.

In terms of who played well on defense, he was not in the top 3.

Hammer, Carlson, Alzner were all better then him.

I don't want to pay more then 5 million #4 defensemen that has injury problems that is a defense liability.

There is no use arguing with you though, you won't change your mind and I won't change mine

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I was encouraged by Mike Green in this past playoffs. Maybe his most consistent playoffs ever. But he set a high offensive expectation bar, so grading him as a fan can be a bit difficult. He is much more solid defensively, but that's not what he gets paid for.

Maybe a lurker reporter can ask him why he went from 30 goals to barely able to get PP time in just 2 years. Ask about the fav stick, the injuries, the Yzerman snub; is this his game now, does he miss BB (despite his comments), does he like being the proverbial 4th forward, or does he like staying back now. What are his goals.

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06-13-2012, 11:01 AM
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Mike Green is too expensive for how bad he is.

In terms of who played well on defense, he was not in the top 3.

Hammer, Carlson, Alzner were all better then him.

I don't want to pay more then 5 million #4 defensemen that has injury problems that is a defense liability.

There is no use arguing with you though, you won't change your mind and I won't change mine
Ah, so you're like a typical fan of other teams that doesn't watch the Caps, got it.

Let me guess, Green's really just a 4th winger?

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06-13-2012, 11:03 AM
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This is where I see even the most rational fans refusing to believe what they see on the ice, regardless of what they see on the ice. Semin either lost his ice time or others earned it. The evidence is right there in the ice time granted by the coaching staff. IMO, Semin was clearly being minimized in his role and impact on the team.
Coaching decisions aren't a convincing justification if you think the coaching staff made poor decisions, though. It's a chicken/egg thing.

If you don't think Hunter (or GMGM or whoever) doled out icetime in a logical or justifiable way, bringing up Semin's icetime isn't going to change your mind about him.

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06-13-2012, 11:07 AM
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NBTW's defense of Green and trashing of Semin is hilarious because he fails to realize both players have the exact same flaws and like-contracts.

Just more proof he trollin.

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Does a 20 minute defenseman then just appear out of thin air?

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Ah, so you're like a typical fan of other teams that doesn't watch the Caps, got it.

Let me guess, Green's really just a 4th winger?
Great argument.

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Rads is going back to the KHL

Awesome! Prevents us from getting him

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Great argument.
Well, I see where this is going.

You spout nothing but silly generalizations that have no merit (i.e. 'defensive liability'), and then respond to anything I say with one liners like that.

You're not worth it.

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Things are getting awkward on the Crawford bandwagon.

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06-13-2012, 11:21 AM
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Coaching decisions aren't a convincing justification if you think the coaching staff made poor decisions, though. It's a chicken/egg thing.

If you don't think Hunter (or GMGM or whoever) doled out icetime in a logical or justifiable way, bringing up Semin's icetime isn't going to change your mind about him.

It's a justification in that the guys who get paid to do this professionally and who are in charge justified it. Right or wrong that's the decision that was made by the guys with a lot more experience than the average fan.

Every sport has armchair coaches and GMs. "If you aren't in the game, you don't know what you're talking about anyway." George McPhee, 2011....

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06-13-2012, 11:25 AM
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Mike Green is a solid defenseman. He'll do more to help us win next year than Yakupov. Did you happen to you know, actually watch the playoffs?
Mike Green will always have his haters. Most of them can't see past 2009. He's much better in his own end today. He's 3rd in the pecking order of Caps D that take critical defensive zone duty. He needs some form of his offense back to appease those fans who can't make an honest appraisal of his performance today.

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Mike Green will always have his haters. Most of them can't see past 2009. He's much better in his own end today. He's 3rd in the pecking order of Caps D that take critical defensive zone duty. He needs some form of his offense back to appease those fans who can't make an honest appraisal of his performance today.
Is it any coincidence that Green's play in his own end has gone up, while the offense has gone far down?

Sorta like Semin's play in his own end has gone up and offensive production gone down?

But let's trash Semin and praise Green.

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Mike Green will always have his haters. Most of them can't see past 2009. He's much better in his own end today. He's 3rd in the pecking order of Caps D that take critical defensive zone duty. He needs some form of his offense back to appease those fans who can't make an honest appraisal of his performance today.
His confidence seems to be a major issue. You could see how much of it he had after he scored that goal against the Rangers. It's too bad they didn't make it out of the round, because I think Green was primed to go nuts offensively.

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Is it any coincidence that Green's play in his own end has gone up, while the offense has gone far down?
No, but it's also far from the only reason, and it definitely shouldn't impact him on the PP.

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No, but it's also far from the only reason, and it definitely shouldn't impact him on the PP.
But...maybe it does. Maybe he's overthinking "defensive responsibility" a bit, even on the power play. Less skating with the puck now, more quick passes deep to make sure he's in the right position.

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NBTW's defense of Green and trashing of Semin is hilarious because he fails to realize both players have the exact same flaws and like-contracts.

Just more proof he trollin.

Damned Green, failing to learn English after being in the states for so many years. I haven't heard any ex-Caps bashing Mike Green (or anyone else for that matter) after leaving Washington.

Aside from injuries, very little similarities in flaws or contracts.

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06-13-2012, 11:35 AM
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Green's a RFA, who costs $5M to qualify for one year.

Semin's a UFA, who is looking for $6M+, likely on a multi-year deal.

Not "like-contracts".

I've already said I'd let Green walk if he was a UFA.

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Damned Green, failing to learn English after being in the states for so many years. I haven't heard any ex-Caps bashing Mike Green (or anyone else for that matter) after leaving Washington.

Aside from injuries, very little similarities in flaws or contracts.
I forgot, this is Amurrrrica. Either yous speaks our language or yous get out!

Who the **** cares what ex-Caps players have to say? I mean...really?

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Is it any coincidence that Green's play in his own end has gone up, while the offense has gone far down?

Sorta like Semin's play in his own end has gone up and offensive production gone down?

But let's trash Semin and praise Green.
Semin doesn't get trashed except in the eyes of his fans who can't stand the honest criticism. And Green is absolutely taking heat from Caps fans. His play isn't commensurate with his salary today and that's a huge issue.

IMO, Green is where Semin was a few years ago minus the dooshy agent and history of issues. In other words, Green's time is coming up with the Caps, just like Semin's did. Green can still salvage it with a good year next year. Semin it appears has finally run out of chances with the Caps organization.

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I forgot, this is Amurrrrica. Either yous speaks our language or yous get out!

Who the **** cares what ex-Caps players have to say? I mean...really?
Semins fans of course want to dismiss it and ignore that his former teammates have gone out of their way to throw him under the bus. Painfully transparent.

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But...maybe it does. Maybe he's overthinking "defensive responsibility" a bit, even on the power play. Less skating with the puck now, more quick passes deep to make sure he's in the right position.
Maybe a little, but there's clearly more to it than that. I think confidence is the main issue, combined with the injuries he's had. Trying to play around them takes a toll on his confidence and are a problem on their own. This year will basically determine his future, so hopefully he sorts himself out and doesn't miss any more time.

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Not surprising at all that that's the real reason CCF doesn't like Semin.

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