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06-06-2012, 06:44 PM
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Clowe to NYR

To NYR: Ryan Clowe

To SJ: Del Zotto, Hagelin, 2nd round pick

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06-06-2012, 06:45 PM
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Sure. I don't think your fellow Rangers fans would be pleased.

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Don't see that happening. MDZ seems off limits

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That is a massive overpayment.

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So I just dropped off Clowe at the airport and he'll arrive at JFK in a few hours.

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That is a massive overpayment.
yes i agree but every time anyone offers something that isnt overpayment you get the whole board saying wtf are you thinking. The way I view it is that if we sign Schultz he replaces MDZ and Clowe replaces hagelin.

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So I just dropped off Clowe at the airport and he'll arrive at JFK in a few hours.
Sounds good to me.

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yes i agree but every time anyone offers something that isnt overpayment you get the whole board saying wtf are you thinking. The way I view it is that if we sign Schultz he replaces MDZ and Clowe replaces hagelin.
Fair enough. I commend you for not favoring the Rangers.

I also commend you on a well-thought out proposal. It actually takes the Sharks needs (youth, speed, and a LH PMD) into consideration.

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yes i agree but every time anyone offers something that isnt overpayment you get the whole board saying wtf are you thinking. The way I view it is that if we sign Schultz he replaces MDZ and Clowe replaces hagelin.
Signing Schultz doesn't make the offer any less. You (NY) could cut that offer in half and it would still be too much.

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Signing Schultz doesn't make the offer any less. You (NY) could cut that offer in half and it would still be too much.
Yeah. Maybe we could add in Douglas Murray? The Rangers have good top-end defensemen, but they're lacking in solid bottom pairing guys. Murray would slot nicely behind McDonagh and Staal as LHD.

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Yeah. Maybe we could add in Douglas Murray? The Rangers have good top-end defensemen, but they're lacking in solid bottom pairing guys. Murray would slot nicely behind McDonagh and Staal as LHD.
San Jose adds a 1st and Murray? I'm trying to make this fair too.

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San Jose adds a 1st and Murray? I'm trying to make this fair too.
Yeah, I'd consider that.

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San Jose adds a 1st and Murray? I'm trying to make this fair too.
im also trying to gauge your value of clowe. he's a player that would fit great in the nyr system and if we sign schultz we'll have a plethora of dman depth. Would SJ do MDZ for Clowe straight up? Fills needs for both teams but is it enough?

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im also trying to gauge your value of clowe. he's a player that would fit great in the nyr system and if we sign schultz we'll have a plethora of dman depth. Would SJ do MDZ for Clowe straight up? Fills needs for both teams but is it enough?
Clowie was severely injured for a large portion of the season, and he and Couture didn't have a stable RW due to Havlat's injure for most of the season. That accounts for his poor offensive season last year. I expect him to rebound to 55-60 points. He's a valuable piece.

While your value is decent, it leaves the Sharks with only 5 top-6 forwards. Hagelin needs to be involved.

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im also trying to gauge your value of clowe. he's a player that would fit great in the nyr system and if we sign schultz we'll have a plethora of dman depth. Would SJ do MDZ for Clowe straight up? Fills needs for both teams but is it enough?
I feel like Del Zotto is worth more. He had a great year last year. I'd imagine NY would be high on him. I think he led their defenseman in points.

I would do a straight Clowe for Del Zotto trade. I just don't think NY would offer it. It definitely makes a ton of sense from the SJ POV though.

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Clowie was severely injured for a large portion of the season, and he and Couture didn't have a stable RW due to Havlat's injure for most of the season. That accounts for his poor offensive season last year. I expect him to rebound to 55-60 points. He's a valuable piece.

While your value is decent, it leaves the Sharks with only 5 top-6 forwards. Hagelin needs to be involved.
yes that's the problem but if it's MDZ and Hags what could SJ add to Clowe and still be reasonable and a good deal for both teams? Douglas Murray is not needed due to our D depth and our left side would have McDonaugh, Staal and Erixon

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yes that's the problem but if it's MDZ and Hags what could SJ add to Clowe and still be reasonable and a good deal for both teams? Douglas Murray is not needed due to our D depth and our left side would have McDonaugh, Staal and Erixon
Yeah, I'd definitely add to Clowe. What else do you need?

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Don't see the Rangers moving Hagelin. That and if the Rangers are moving MDZ, I think it would be part of a package for a Ryan-esk top six winger.

How does a package around Dubinsky for Clowe sound?

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Don't see the Rangers moving Hagelin. That and if the Rangers are moving MDZ, I think it would be part of a package for a Ryan-esk top six winger.

How does a package around Dubinsky for Clowe sound?
If Hagelin isn't coming back, Clowe isn't going to New York. I don't know why Rangers fans think he's so untouchable.

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Don't see the Rangers moving Hagelin. That and if the Rangers are moving MDZ, I think it would be part of a package for a Ryan-esk top six winger.

How does a package around Dubinsky for Clowe sound?
I think Dubi and a 2nd would be fair, maybe a prospect added as well

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So I just dropped off Clowe at the airport and he'll arrive at JFK in a few hours.
I'm helping Clowe with his bags and locating his gate as we speak.

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Clowe is a Hybrid. Lots of guys can add toughness, but not a lot of guys out there can do it in a top 6 role. Clowe and Lucic maybe the two best examples. Playing that role against opposing teams best players can grind them down. But...buyer beware. Play that style long enough, and it catches up. How old is Clowe anyway 32?

Cant see the Rangers having to add much more than Dubi if that was the deal. Not nearly as tough, however Dubi has serious moxy and is a lot younger.


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Rangers need a gamebreaker, Clowe is not a gamebreaker.

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Fair enough. I commend you for not favoring the Rangers.

I also commend you on a well-thought out proposal. It actually takes the Sharks needs (youth, speed, and a LH PMD) into consideration.
Punches a lot of holes in the Rangers' line up though and doesn't settle any particular need. Bunch of guys similar to Clowe throughout the bottom 6 in their line up. A top 4 young D is more than enough for Clowe without throwing in Hagelin and the frequently traded 2nd round pick (AKA the Brent Ashton of draft picks)

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Clowe is a Hybrid. Lots of guys can add toughness, but not a lot of guys out there can do it in a top 6 role. Clowe and Lucic maybe the two best examples. Playing that role against opposing teams best players can grind them down. But...buyer beware. Play that style long enough, and it catches up. How old is Clowe anyway 32?

Cant see the Rangerd having to add much more than Dubi if that was the deal. Not nearly as tough, however Dubi has serious moxy and is a lot younger.

Clowe will turn 30 right when next season starts. What happened to him this year. I mean he didn't have a bad year but he went from putting up 62 points last season and 57 the year before that to 45 this season.

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