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07-24-2012, 06:59 PM
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Does anybody else think we need to hire a few more scouts to find Defenders?

It's ridiculous how long it's been since we drafted a defenseman that has stayed on our roster in the top 2 pairings. We can't just keep trading, signing, and offer sheeting defensemen to fill the gaps. We need defenders.

Out of the prospect pools, I think we have to have the worst group of prospects for defensemen.

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We should hire whoever Nashville is using

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It needs to be addressed. Same with the goaltender scouting..sorry but Neil Little doesnt impress me...so far.

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I agree. But I don't think it's a scouting issue, it's just a severe lack of patience issue. Defensemen take longer to develop, and "patience" and "develop" seem to be bad words in the Flyers' vocabulary.

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Yes, something definitely needs to be done. The Flyers are spending a hilarious amount on our defense compared to the rest of the league, cap-wise, and the results don't exactly justify it. It would be nice to fill out our defense from within instead of going to FA every year and overpaying.

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07-24-2012, 07:17 PM
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They need better scouting, draft picks, and patience to let them develop.

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Sbisa is the last guy I can remember logging significant minutes in the NHL that the Flyers drafted. Am I missing someone?

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Sbisa is the last guy I can remember logging significant minutes in the NHL that the Flyers drafted. Am I missing someone?
Pitkanen?

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We never draft defense early. You don't just hope to find these guys in the 5th round and the good ones are a lot harder to acquire than comparable forwards... which further depletes you.

Honestly, our best bet is to draft the forwards, which we're good at, then trade them for similarly aged defensemen lol.

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They need better scouting, draft picks, and patience to let them develop.
The scouting is not the problem. The lack of patience is the major flaw with the organization.

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Pitkanen?
Yeah. I'm only going back to 2003. Pitkanen would be within the last decade, however.

I suppose Bodrov would be a regular NHLer by this point if he was around.

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The scouting is not the problem. The lack of patience is the major flaw with the organization.
What defenseman outside of Sbisa (maybe?) have we traded away in the last 15 years that could be perceived as a top pairing guy?

We suck at drafting D almost as bad as we do at developing them.

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The scouting is not the problem. The lack of patience is the major flaw with the organization.
I agree on the patience, but I think the defenders they do tend to draft like Lauridsen, Suellentrop, Vasiliev, etc are all low ceiling players they drool over because they hit. I can't totally kill them for not having later picks panning out, but they certainly aren't looking for talent. Gostibehere is the only time I've seen them look for someone skilled.

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You gotta give young defenders NHL experience, but ease them in like we have seen NYR have success doing.

That said, I hope when Kimmo retires he stays a Finland scout for us.

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As has been posted before, naming Terry Murray as Adirondack head coach should be a step in the right direction. Maximize what this franchise has with the current rookies and prospects, give them the right environment to grow, and resist the urge to sign mediocre >35-year-olds to one-year contracts.

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I remember when we moved up in the second round to draft Kevin Marshall. Now I just see his name floating across the top of this page even though hes been long gone for awhile.

He was supposed to be a nasty hard hitting dman, guess that never panned out.

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The "problem" as I see it is a mulitheaded monster. In order of how much it contributes to the problem
1) We tend to draft forwards in the first round
2) We have not been properly developing the D prospects. I see this problem partially addressed with Murray and Lappy
3) We trade away a lot of 2nd rounder picks. If you pick a forward in the first and no-one in the second there isn't much left by the 3rd
4) Poor D scouting at the entry draft level
5) Problems created after the draft that are not the fault of the scouts. (for example Bodrov's problems)

I might be overly optimistic but I think this crop we just drafted will go down as one of our better overall drafts in a few years. I don't think there will be any superstars though. Hopefully we develop them properly.

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Send an offer sheet to the Predators scouts

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Pitkanen?
Seidenberg too

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TERTYSHNY would've been a good one imo. RIP Dmitri. Drafted earlier I know (95) but that kid had a good chance

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TERTYSHNY would've been a good one imo. RIP Dmitri. Drafted earlier I know (95) but that kid had a good chance
I still remember that pretty vividly...he was a promising player.

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Where did we take forwards in the first round where we would have been better off value wise taking a defender? I think that's something that needs to be answered before people say our scouting is deficient. Past the first round its pretty much a crapshoot.

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I don't think scouting is the issue

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When did we get draft picks?

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Where did we take forwards in the first round where we would have been better off value wise taking a defender? I think that's something that needs to be answered before people say our scouting is deficient. Past the first round its pretty much a crapshoot.
Probably should have taken Seabrook instead of Carter in the long run. Or one of Letang, Yandle, or Vlasic (or Quick) instead of Downie.

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