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06-09-2012, 11:06 AM
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To Washington - Tyutin, Brassard

To Columbus - 11th overall, Neuvirth, Schultz

Washington tries to address Green's partner and 2C problem in the same trade.

Columbus gets a potential #1 goalie who is cheap this year and a pick high enough to get another good D if they go with Galchenyuk or Faksa/Gaunce type center if they go with Murray. Schultz is part cap dump part might actually become a decent player for Columbus. They still get like 5 million cap space from the trade.

Fair-ish?

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06-09-2012, 11:09 AM
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Columbus fans usually don't react well to Tyutin being included in trades.

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06-09-2012, 11:21 AM
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Columbus fans usually don't react well to Tyutin being included in trades.
True. The proposal might be better received if Methot was substituted.

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To Washington - Tyutin, Brassard

To Columbus - 11th overall, Neuvirth, Schultz

Washington tries to address Green's partner and 2C problem in the same trade.

Columbus gets a potential #1 goalie who is cheap this year and a pick high enough to get another good D if they go with Galchenyuk or Faksa/Gaunce type center if they go with Murray. Schultz is part cap dump part might actually become a decent player for Columbus. They still get like 5 million cap space from the trade.

Fair-ish?
In this situation, who does Washington get to replace Neuvirth? Holtby would still likely need a veteran backing him up and helping him out through a long season. What UFA would they sign?

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06-09-2012, 11:38 AM
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True. The proposal might be better received if Methot was substituted.
The whole point is to get a legitimate top 4 partner for Green. Only way we'd have use for Methot is Methot for Schultz straight up or with something negligible coming back from the caps.

If Tyutin is that untouchable would Brassard for Neuvirth and Boston's 2nd suffice?

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True. The proposal might be better received if Methot was substituted.
...at which point this deal makes no sense for the Caps whatsoever.

I'd rather just use the 16th to find a 2C (+Johansson for Pavelski, +Laich for Plekanec, something like that), then look to free agency to find Green's partner (ideally Suter, but Jackman would be great too). If we strikeout in FA it's not the end of the world because we've still got Hamrlik, and we can try again next year when he's gone.

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06-09-2012, 11:39 AM
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In this situation, who does Washington get to replace Neuvirth? Holtby would still likely need a veteran backing him up and helping him out through a long season. What UFA would they sign?
One of the 10 or so backups looking for jobs at the end of free agency.

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Not a bad proposal in terms of value and it attempts to address Columbus's need for a goalie.

That said, 2 problems. First, after dealing Vermette, Carter, and Pahlsson Columbus has no center depth what so ever. Moving Brassard would compound that and force Johansen to eat top-6 minutes perhaps before he is ready.

Second, Tyutin is key to Nikitin's play.

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06-09-2012, 12:18 PM
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wouldn't you want the more defensive defenseman in Methot to play with Green so he can roam free and not have to hurry back on defense?

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I'd rather have Nikitin than Tyutin.

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06-09-2012, 02:25 PM
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absolutely Horrid

Neuvirth has been a prospect who couldnt hold the position, washington has had Varlamov, Vokoun, and now Holtby, and Neuvirth just doesnt grab that job, so I see him as no better than what we have in Mason, a guy who shows flashes but just isnt confident enough to take charge and win the position

Tyutin is the key to our 2nd pair, no interest in moving him,

11th pick is nice but not nearly nice enough to even consider this

Colorado was insane last offseason,, i have no desire to be this years victim

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If Tyutin is that untouchable would Brassard for Neuvirth and Boston's 2nd suffice?
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...after dealing Vermette, Carter, and Pahlsson Columbus has no center depth what so ever. Moving Brassard would compound that and force Johansen to eat top-6 minutes perhaps before he is ready.
I'm not nearly as fond of Brassard as some, but Crede makes a good point. I would think that there's a trade involving Neuvirth to be made, but I'm not sure what would be needed to make it happen.

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wouldn't you want the more defensive defenseman in Methot to play with Green so he can roam free and not have to hurry back on defense?
Methot is closer to 3rd pairing then 2nd.

Ideally we want an all around defenseman that can (and will) primarily play solid positional defense but who can also make good outlet passes and good offensive zone decisions if necessary. Having offensive pylons with Green just let the other team collapse on him and hurt the team a good deal. We're looking for a younger, better version of Hamrlik, who worked really well with Green at the end of last season. Tyutin seems to fit the bill better than Methot. He's pretty solid defensively himself is he not?

Columbus has Johnson, Wisniewski, Tyutin Nikitin and Methot with Savard, Moore and potentially Murray as NHL or NHL ready defensemen. I thought they could afford to move Tyutin and slide Methot up with Nikitin. Even if there is still a hole they could go for a lower tier UFA to plug it.

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06-09-2012, 02:56 PM
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Methot is closer to 3rd pairing then 2nd.

Ideally we want an all around defenseman that can (and will) primarily play solid positional defense but who can also make good outlet passes and good offensive zone decisions if necessary. Having offensive pylons with Green just let the other team collapse on him and hurt the team a good deal. We're looking for a younger, better version of Hamrlik, who worked really well with Green at the end of last season. Tyutin seems to fit the bill better than Methot. He's pretty solid defensively himself is he not?

Columbus has Johnson, Wisniewski, Tyutin Nikitin and Methot with Savard, Moore and potentially Murray as NHL or NHL ready defensemen. I thought they could afford to move Tyutin and slide Methot up with Nikitin. Even if there is still a hole they could go for a lower tier UFA to plug it.
that may be so, but Neuvirth doesnt cut it, it would have to be Holtby instead and a prospect of some walue because Shultz wouldnt play in our top 6, just as he isnt wanted in your top 6

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I'm not going to focus on value, because it's tough to peg what Brassard is worth. That said, if the Jackets make this trade they might as well play in the AHL for a few years. It would leave us without any top-6 centers and with only 2 top-4 defensemen. It also destroys how effective Nikitin could be as I think he needs his Russian speaking comrade to succeed.

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06-09-2012, 03:37 PM
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halpysback you wrote this in another thread:

''If you really think someone could play top 10 minutes in the NHL on one of its better teams in the last 4 years with Jeff ****ing Schultz as their partner and not be an excellent defenseman, you really have no idea. Try putting Wisniewski or even Tyutin with a slow and soft as toilet paper version of Methot and see what you get."

so even you admit Shultz is worthless, Neuvirth cant hold a job,

so that means its Tyutin and Brassard for the #11 pick, and you wonder why we have no interest in this proposal?

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06-09-2012, 03:44 PM
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Neuvirth can hold a job and would be a sufficient choice for the "young potential #1" who can share a season 50-50 with a veteran backup. He and Lindback are equals in my view although Lindback is younger and less proven. I would certainly prefer either over Bernier.

It has been mentioned by the Dispatch that trading Brassard is NOT off the table. However, I think such a move would put too much stress on Johansen as well as Letestu. It should be known that neither Prospal nor Umberger are actually centers. Instead, they are wingers that can take face-offs.

Also, why shouldn't Washington use that #11 overall to draft a WHL defenseman? Certainly one will be available at that spot. I think a stop-gap defenseman would serve them better.

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06-09-2012, 04:07 PM
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Neuvirth has been a prospect who couldnt hold the position, washington has had Varlamov, Vokoun, and now Holtby, and Neuvirth just doesnt grab that job, so I see him as no better than what we have in Mason, a guy who shows flashes but just isnt confident enough to take charge and win the position
To be fair, Neuvirth won starting position over Varlamov but then Caps sort of "screw him over" with Vokoun. And both Vokoun and Neuvirth were injured at the end of the season, which allowed Holtby to be starter...

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