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06-07-2012, 10:43 AM
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I have faith that he'll turn us into a low-end playoff team in the relatively near future. I do not have faith that he'll turn us into a legitimate cup contender. I didn't vote.
I fear 1-and-done failed attempt at success to expand on that point of yours..

Look at his Anaheim track record, big trade for Pronger for multiple 1sts /picks and prospects, sign big name UFA like Neidermayer, Selanne for quick success. Today the Ducks sit just above our Leafs in the standings finishing 6th from the bottom of the league. While his gamble at least returned a Cup so that can't be denied in terms of success, but it was short lived. Today Anaheim is right back to being at the bottom of the league with really their only remaining talent Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan their drafted and young players left from that Cup team of a few years ago..

It was an all out gamble, and then he left Anaheim in a mess for the future, and forced GM Bob Murray into a rebuild shortly after a Cup win.

Building a team that is a consistent contender takes patience, and strong drafting and developing, and Burke has claimed himself he refuses to take the time and lacks the patience to wait long for success, because he doesn't feel that is the way it needs to be.

Now with ever-increasing pressure for positive results to materialize because of past failures we might be at a critical point where now making moves for present day success is more important than long-term sustainable success.

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06-07-2012, 10:51 AM
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Steve Tambellini - Hired on July 31, 2008
Brian Burke - Hired on November 29, 2008

Tambellini had some time during the off season when hired to address team needs, Burke came later that year during the season.

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11/12 - 74 points

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08/09 - 81 points
09/10 - 74 points
10/11 - 85 points
11/12 - 80 points


Oilers feel fit to give Tambellini an extension and fans say he has done a great job since taking over from Lowe's mess.

Leaf fans want Burke to get fired because he hasn't brought the team into the playoffs even though he inherited a team from JFJ that was, that was...words cannot express how bad it was.

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06-07-2012, 10:52 AM
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Building a team that is a consistent contender takes patience, and strong drafting and developing, and Burke has claimed himself he refuses to take the time and lacks the patience to wait long for success, because he doesn't feel that is the way it needs to be.

Now with ever-increasing pressure for positive results to materialize because of past failures we might be at a critical point where now making moves for present day success is more important than long-term sustainable success.
You have been crying for Burke to make short term moves to get the Leafs into the playoffs and he has been patiently building through the draft and signing young UFA's.

That's what makes that post so bizarre.

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06-07-2012, 10:53 AM
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Most likely, he'll draft Grigorenko, sign a couple of UFAs to fill up the bottom 6, trade for Luongo, and we sneak into playoffs.

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06-07-2012, 10:53 AM
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I fear 1-and-done failed attempt at success to expand on that point of yours..

Look at his Anaheim track record, big trade for Pronger for multiple 1sts /picks and prospects, sign big name UFA like Neidermayer, Selanne for quick success. Today the Ducks sit just above our Leafs in the standings finishing 6th from the bottom of the league. While his gamble at least returned a Cup so that can't be denied in terms of success, but it was short lived. Today Anaheim is right back to being at the bottom of the league with really their only remaining talent Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan their drafted and young players left from that Cup team of a few years ago..

It was an all out gamble, and then he left Anaheim in a mess for the future, and forced GM Bob Murray into a rebuild shortly after a Cup win.

Building a team that is a consistent contender takes patience, and strong drafting and developing, and Burke has claimed himself he refuses to take the time and lacks the patience to wait long for success, because he doesn't feel that is the way it needs to be.

Now with ever-increasing pressure for positive results to materialize because of past failures we might be at a critical point where now making moves for present day success is more important than long-term sustainable success.
The fact he doesn't want to trade away youth for immediate help supports that theory right?

In answer to the OP's question, yes I have faith in what he's building.

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06-07-2012, 10:56 AM
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Steve Tambellini - Hired on July 31, 2008
Brian Burke - Hired on November 29, 2008

Tambellini had some time during the off season when hired to address team needs, Burke came later that year during the season.

Edmonton Oilers
08/09 - 85 points
09/10 - 62 points
10/11 - 62 points
11/12 - 74 points

Toronto Maple Leafs
08/09 - 81 points
09/10 - 74 points
10/11 - 85 points
11/12 - 80 points


Oilers feel fit to give Tambellini an extension and fans say he has done a great job since taking over from Lowe's mess.

Leaf fans want Burke to get fired because he hasn't brought the team into the playoffs even though he inherited a team from JFJ that was, that was...words cannot express how bad it was.
Ok the problem is Tambellini is a master tanker where as Burke actually tries to make the playoffs.

Tambellini succeeds at his goal, because obviously tanking is not hard. He's done what he was asked to do, that's why he's being rewarded.

Burke tries for 4 seasons, and still doesn't see playoffs. That's why his job security is in question.

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06-07-2012, 10:57 AM
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Steve Tambellini - Hired on July 31, 2008
Brian Burke - Hired on November 29, 2008

Tambellini had some time during the off season when hired to address team needs, Burke came later that year during the season.

Edmonton Oilers
08/09 - 85 points
09/10 - 62 points
10/11 - 62 points
11/12 - 74 points

Toronto Maple Leafs
08/09 - 81 points
09/10 - 74 points
10/11 - 85 points
11/12 - 80 points


Oilers feel fit to give Tambellini an extension and fans say he has done a great job since taking over from Lowe's mess.

Leaf fans want Burke to get fired because he hasn't brought the team into the playoffs even though he inherited a team from JFJ that was, that was...words cannot express how bad it was.
Funny how that works in Leaf land. For the record, I don't want him fired.

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Steve Tambellini - Hired on July 31, 2008
Brian Burke - Hired on November 29, 2008

Tambellini had some time during the off season when hired to address team needs, Burke came later that year during the season.

Edmonton Oilers
08/09 - 85 points
09/10 - 62 points
10/11 - 62 points
11/12 - 74 points

Toronto Maple Leafs
08/09 - 81 points
09/10 - 74 points
10/11 - 85 points
11/12 - 80 points


Oilers feel fit to give Tambellini an extension and fans say he has done a great job since taking over from Lowe's mess.

Leaf fans want Burke to get fired because he hasn't brought the team into the playoffs even though he inherited a team from JFJ that was, that was...words cannot express how bad it was.
Time to see significant improvement, no? If there is no significant improvement next season then I will lose faith in Burke. At some point you need to see significant improvement in the standings, that point is now. Why should I be satisfied with another bottom 5 finish? Or another year out of the playoffs?

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06-07-2012, 11:04 AM
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Ok the problem is Tambellini is a master tanker where as Burke actually tries to make the playoffs.

Tambellini succeeds at his goal, because obviously tanking is not hard. He's done what he was asked to do, that's why he's being rewarded.

Burke tries for 4 seasons, and still doesn't see playoffs. That's why his job security is in question.
Well said .

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06-07-2012, 11:05 AM
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Time to see significant improvement, no? If there is no significant improvement next season then I will lose faith in Burke. At some point you need to see significant improvement in the standings, that point is now. Why should I be satisfied with another bottom 5 finish? Or another year out of the playoffs?


buuuuuuut you'd be happy if they finished last and got to draft Mackinnon 1st overall....right?

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Ok the problem is Tambellini is a master tanker where as Burke actually tries to make the playoffs.

Tambellini succeeds at his goal, because obviously tanking is not hard. He's done what he was asked to do, that's why he's being rewarded.

Burke tries for 4 seasons, and still doesn't see playoffs. That's why his job security is in question.
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Best thing to happen to the Leafs in a long time. Our patience will be rewarded.

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06-07-2012, 11:08 AM
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Overpays for everything.

Kessel-overpaid,Komisarek-ditto,Connolly - are you joking?!,Armstrong,a tad too much,Grabovski - "$5 million for Grabvoski is ludicrous!" - Brian Burke,Lombardi(2 x $3.5 million ) to land Franson(overpayment),Beauchmin(good trade but bad signing).Was forced to fire Wilson.Terrible speciality teams every year.Prospect pool,no elite talent whatsoever.And now his grand finale,overpayment for Luongo in a strike year.All Burke does is overpay,so no, I don't have faith in him anymore.

Retool?This team is worse than when he started.

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Kessel-overpaid,Komisarek-ditto,Connolly - are you joking?!,Armstrong,a tad too much,Grabovski - "$5 million for Grabvoski is ludicrous!" - Brian Burke,Lombardi(2 x $3.5 million ) to land Franson(overpayment),Beauchmin(good trade but bad signing).Was forced to fire Wilson.Terrible speciality teams every year.Prospect pool,no elite talent whatsoever.And now his grand finale,overpayment for Luongo in a strike year.All Burke does is overpay,so no, I don't have faith in him anymore.

Retool?This team is worse than when he started.
LOL, say what?

At least when your wrong, your REALLY wrong.

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Guess that shoots that idea down.

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You have been crying for Burke to make short term moves to get the Leafs into the playoffs and he has been patiently building through the draft and signing young UFA's.

That's what makes that post so bizarre.
Not to mention the countless times Burke could be quoted in the last two years saying the exact opposite.

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He's added a plethora of assets on D. The leafs still need to work on solidifying the forward and goaltender group. It does take time but he is going in the right direction.

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Not to mention the countless times Burke could be quoted in the last two years saying the exact opposite.
Burke says alot of things . He also said he wasn't interested in a long term rebuild , he also keeps saying he's not a patient person .

Burke will pretty much say anything depending on the question asked .

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Guess that shoots that idea down.
Finding a quote from a GM that is intended to challenge his team is pretty easy.

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Not to mention the countless times Burke could be quoted in the last two years saying the exact opposite.
All he has ever said is that if there are moves available that could be made to accelerate the process without mortgaging the future then he would make them as opposed to sitting back and collecting high draft picks only.

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Burke says alot of things . He also said he wasn't interested in a long term rebuild , he also keeps saying he's not a patient person .

Burke will pretty much say anything depending on the question asked .
What he said that like three years ago? Get over it.

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Absolutely, And I have since day 1(Nov 29th 08)

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Kessel-overpaid,Komisarek-ditto,Connolly - are you joking?!,Armstrong,a tad too much,Grabovski - "$5 million for Grabvoski is ludicrous!" - Brian Burke,Lombardi(2 x $3.5 million ) to land Franson(overpayment),Beauchmin(good trade but bad signing).Was forced to fire Wilson.Terrible speciality teams every year.Prospect pool,no elite talent whatsoever.And now his grand finale,overpayment for Luongo in a strike year.All Burke does is overpay,so no, I don't have faith in him anymore.

Retool?This team is worse than when he started.
You name 4 UFA signings.

This may be shocking news but UFAs get overpaid, if you need to go the UFA route to fill certain gaps in your roster you are going to overpay. No one could question the need for players like Komi, Beauch, Army at the time.

You can put several overpaid UFAs on every single GMs resume, that's how UFA works.

Kessel trade was a gamble that turned into an overpayment. More a mistake of having too much faith in his team then a direct overpayment though.


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Kessel-overpaid,Komisarek-ditto,Connolly - are you joking?!,Armstrong,a tad too much,Grabovski - "$5 million for Grabvoski is ludicrous!" - Brian Burke,Lombardi(2 x $3.5 million ) to land Franson(overpayment),Beauchmin(good trade but bad signing).Was forced to fire Wilson.Terrible speciality teams every year.Prospect pool,no elite talent whatsoever.And now his grand finale,overpayment for Luongo in a strike year.All Burke does is overpay,so no, I don't have faith in him anymore.

Retool?This team is worse than when he started.
- What he gave up to get Kessel was an overpayment, but it's not like Kessel sucks
- Komi averaged over 20 minutes a night, did well on the PK and was a hard hitting defencemen, don't think anybody would have guessed he would drop so low. In hindsight, clear overpayment
- Connolly was the 2nd best center available. If Burke didn't sign any UFA centers that off season fans would be furious that he did nothing trying to solve the #1 center position. It was a 2 year contract, no big deal. If we didn't have him, we would have been ~5m under the cap and fans would further be upset that he isn't spending to the cap to make the team as good as possible. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't in regards to Connolly. It's not like Connolly has prevented us from getting any other players.
- Armstrong has been injured so much the only thing you can find Burke with fault at is the length of the contract. 3m cap hit isn't that much though.
- Grabovski I maintain is on a more than fair contract. He plays with heart and produces points. There are few centers who get more points and get paid less then 5.5m. Those who do make less, many are on RFA contracts or still make 4.5m+. By the time Grabo's contract is coming to an end in 5 years, the cap could be 80m+ for all we know at which point 5.5m will be a steal.
- Lombardi wasn't expected to be healthy enough to play and unfortunately never found his game this season after missing almost all of last year. Getting something for Lebda is still a win in my books.
- Beauchemin was playing just under 25 minutes a night in Anaheim the season before he came to Toronto. He is more suited for the defensive style of play that Carlyle did in Anaheim. Wilson's just didn't work for him.
- After he fired Wilson, he said that they were never on the same page to begin with. Wilson was hired to try and lure over Burke. If Burke came and picked his own coach (as it usually is when a new gm comes to a team) I don't think he would have picked Wilson. I get the feeling he was handcuffed when he came. He took to long to get rid of Wilson though, also don't know why he gave him the extension if they were never on the same page of style played.
- Special teams isn't a gm's fault, it is the coaches. Burke did things to help the abysmal special teams such as signing Dupuis. Even with him as a pk specialist it still sucked.
- What team has elite prospects in their prospect pool? I thought almost all elite prospects were good enough to make the NHL in which case we have Gardiner?

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