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10-02-2013, 01:35 PM
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Top 50: Prospects ranked 21-30 have high upside but questions remain unanswered


 The Fall edition of the Hockey's Future ranking of the Top 50 NHL prospects continues with the prospects ranked 21-30.

New additions from the 2013 NHL Draft augment the depth of skilled forwards in the middle group of the ranking. Elias Lindholm, drafted fifth by Carolina, and Sean Monahan, sixth by Calgary, debut on the list next to prospects who lost some luster after a rocky 2012-13 season in Mikhail Grigorenko and Mikael Granlund.



Apart from new draft picks, Jacob Trouba and Tyler Toffoli each saw substantial raises in their stock late last season and cracked the top-30 prospects this time around. 

Below are the prospects ranked 21-30 in HF's ranking of the Top 50 NHL prospects.… read more



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Hmmmm... Trouba at #22. There must be some awfully good players in the top 20.

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Gustav Nyquist still on this list at age 24...................

**** you Ken Holland

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Little surprising to see Monahan at 29. Disappointed that Gaudreau didn't make the top 50. Wonder where Bart will be ranked.

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Nyquist 2 spots below Lindholm, and ahead of Monahan... there must be some serious monster talents in the top 25

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I expected Nichushkin to be in the top 20, but not seeing Chiasson yet scares me. I would be surprised to see him in the top 20, but him not being in the top 50 would blow my mind.

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I expected Nichushkin to be in the top 20, but not seeing Chiasson yet scares me. I would be surprised to see him in the top 20, but him not being in the top 50 would blow my mind.
I wouldn't put Chiasson top 50.

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I expected Nichushkin to be in the top 20, but not seeing Chiasson yet scares me. I would be surprised to see him in the top 20, but him not being in the top 50 would blow my mind.
Chiasson isnt going to be in the top 50, and he shouldnt be.

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And Nyquist is still in the AHL @ age 24.

Fire Holland & Babcock.

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Watching Trouba play 25 plus minutes in his first NHL game last night, score a goal and get an assist, I'd have to say that he should be higher. Just one game but what a debut!

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So Jones and Rielly are ahead of Trouba. Any other defenders that will still be on the list?

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come on, HF.

you've got a stud like 19 year old Trouba couple spots away from a fringe prospect like 24yr old Nyquist?

do better.


p.s. haven't you learned already from the Brendan Smith and Jakub Kindl examples? Isn't it about time you realized that 24 year old AHLers aren't good prospects just because they're part of the Red Wings organization?:

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come on, HF.

you've got a stud like 19 year old Trouba couple spots away from a fringe prospect like 24yr old Nyquist?

do better.


p.s. haven't you learned already from the Brendan Smith and Jakub Kindl examples? Isn't it about time you realized that 24 year old AHLers aren't good prospects just because they're part of the Red Wings organization?:
I'm not sure you understand what a good prospect is, if you're calling Nyquist a fringe prospect.

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Teravainen not in the top-50? Lowl.

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So Jones and Rielly are ahead of Trouba. Any other defenders that will still be on the list?
There is just no way you can justify him ahead of Murray, Trouba and, heck, even Reinhart.

...but Burkey said he was the best player in the draft.

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I'm not sure you understand what a good prospect is, if you're calling Nyquist a fringe prospect.
I understand perfectly well that a 24 year old ex-4th round buttersoft midget with mediocre speed putting up around a ppg in the AHL isn't an elite prospect.

Just like I understood last year that Brendan Smith wasn't an elite prospect, while guys like you told me I was nuts.

Detroit prospects have to stop being held to a different standard than everyone else's prospects, especially since the big club isn't a powerhouse that can afford to bury quality kids in the minors anymore.

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There is just no way you can justify him ahead of Murray, Trouba and, heck, even Reinhart.

...but Burkey said he was the best player in the draft.
Trouba, no. Murray and Reinhart, sure.

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I understand perfectly well that a 24 year old ex-4th round buttersoft midget with mediocre speed putting up around a ppg in the AHL isn't an elite prospect.

Just like I understood last year that Brendan Smith wasn't an elite prospect, while guys like you told me I was nuts.

Detroit prospects have to stop being held to a different standard than everyone else's prospects, especially since the big club isn't a powerhouse that can afford to bury quality kids in the minors anymore.
Where he was drafted isn't really relevant at this point.

And I was never particularly impressed with Smith.

This reminds me of you trying to argue that Anaheim fans were disappointed in Lindholm. It isn't rooted in facts, just your own assumptions and narrow arguments.

Edit: And let's be clear here. Nyquist hasn't put up "around a PPG" in the AHL. The past two seasons he has put up over a PPG.

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Why did Grigorenko drop 7 spots while Forsberg dropped 26?

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is simon despres (48) still considered a prospect?

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Mikhail Grigorenko and Jaden Schwartz ahead of Lindholm and Monahan?

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obviously zeke you have never seen nyquist play, just clueless, pretty sure i'm not the only person who thinks a very good case could be made that he was detroits third best forward in last seasons playoffs.

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Mikhail Grigorenko and Jaden Schwartz ahead of Lindholm and Monahan?
Yes. Because they are older and are closer to the NHL and are better prospects. They may not have higher ceilings but they're closer to the NHL For all we know, Monahan and Lindholm are sent down after 9 games and never play in the NHL (no, Im not saying thats the case).

Oh and FWIW, this list was likely done 2-3 weeks ago before training camp so again, Schwartz and Grig are closer to the NHL. and probably what goes into a lot of the thinking. Higher ceiling doesn't always mean a better prospect.

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I understand perfectly well that a 24 year old ex-4th round buttersoft midget with mediocre speed putting up around a ppg in the AHL isn't an elite prospect.

Just like I understood last year that Brendan Smith wasn't an elite prospect, while guys like you told me I was nuts.

Detroit prospects have to stop being held to a different standard than everyone else's prospects, especially since the big club isn't a powerhouse that can afford to bury quality kids in the minors anymore.
Nyquist is too high, yes. No doubt about it.

But as mentioned, he was over ppg, not many players have as good ppg with that many games.

And he most definitely doesn't have medicore speed.

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Don't really get the love for Grigorenko. I'm probably in the minority but he's ranked way higher than I'd place him. When I saw him last year I saw someone who might have a hard time being able to produce at a high level due to his skating and compete level.

That being said, I haven't seen him that much and I'm obviously far from a scout.

Also surprised not to see Gaudreau on the list. In terms of upside he should probably be top 25 though I understand there is a good chance he will never see the NHL unless he can put on quite a bit of weight. If he does manage to put on muscle I have a hard time not seeing him being a top-6 player in the NHL.

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