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Tampa to trade for Jonathan Bernier?

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06-08-2012, 02:18 PM
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Is Connolly good enough to take Stoll's job?

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06-08-2012, 02:26 PM
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What is Connolly's size now? Has he bulked up? Does he play the power-game?

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06-08-2012, 02:35 PM
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What is Connolly's size now? Has he bulked up? Does he play the power-game?
There's no way Connolly is part of the deal unless Yzerman has lost his mind completely.

Come on people...Connolly was drafted 6th overall just 2 years ago, that's not the type of asset you give up for a completel ynproven goaltender.

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06-08-2012, 03:03 PM
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If I'm Lombardi, I hold on to Bernier until the deadline. No reason to get rid of a great tandem, and his value will only increase as he plays more if he is the real deal.
How is he going to play more?

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06-08-2012, 03:04 PM
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There's no way Connolly is part of the deal unless Yzerman has lost his mind completely.

Come on people...Connolly was drafted 6th overall just 2 years ago, that's not the type of asset you give up for a completel ynproven goaltender.
You guys need D as well, Connolly (former 6th) + 1st (10th) for Bernier (former 11th) + Hickey (former 4th)

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06-08-2012, 03:06 PM
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You guys need D as well, Connolly (former 6th) + 1st (10th) for Bernier (former 11th) + Hickey (former 4th)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA : laugh:

Man, I was having a crappy day, but that made me laugh hard. Thanks.

You want 10th? Forbort, that is all.

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06-08-2012, 03:11 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA : laugh:

Man, I was having a crappy day, but that made me laugh hard. Thanks.

You want 10th? Forbort, that is all.
I forot to add the The previous poster seemed pretty caught up on draft positions, so I thought I'd throw in the Hickey curve ball, followed up by the usual explanation of Dmen take longer to develop!

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06-08-2012, 03:20 PM
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Is Connolly good enough to take Stoll's job?
Connolly is a RW, so no.

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06-08-2012, 03:37 PM
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You guys need D as well, Connolly (former 6th) + 1st (10th) for Bernier (former 11th) + Hickey (former 4th)
I see what you did there.

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06-08-2012, 03:52 PM
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And you know all of this how?
Kurrilino is right and we know this because Lombardi stated so already after the trade deadline. It's why we traded Johnson and a first rather than include Bernier on any deals with Columbus for Carter.

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06-08-2012, 03:57 PM
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There is no asset that the Lightning have that the Kings need. There is also a stated intention by the Kings to keep Bernier until Quick is signed. If Yzerman really wants him, it will probably be double the normal price. However after Quick's deal is done, we can do a reasonable deal.

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Kurrilino is right and we know this because Lombardi stated so already after the trade deadline. It's why we traded Johnson and a first rather than include Bernier on any deals with Columbus for Carter.
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06-08-2012, 04:11 PM
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couple quick points I thought I would hit on, why L.A should wait to trade Bernier.

1. Quick will play close to 100 games because of preseason, heavy work load during season and long cup run. He will lose a month to recover do to shortened summer, plus stress of contract talks. He may need a reduced workload next season so there is no cup hangover and fatigue.

2. Ride Bernier to at least the trade deadline, get him in a few more games, enjoy his lower cap hit. The team that trades for him gets a better look and he can negotiate a new contract with the team he is headed to as a starter instead of a back up.

3. L.A is rather set for a line up. Kopitars line is set, Richards line will get Gagne or Penner may be re-signed. . 3rd line has King and Lewis but needs a center, I personally think Stoll is Re-signed, Loktie will be traded, the forth line has Nolan, Cliffy and a fight between Richardson, Cliche, hopefully Fraser, Westgarth etc. Our D is set for 1 more year.
- what need do we trade for if we trade Bernier.

4. The only thing that may change this is a drast overpayment.

A. Vokoun signing in Pittsburg had to suprise everyone and took a big fish out of the market.
B. Luongo carries a massive tag and eliminates 2/3s of the teams.
C. Thomas takes a year off, Boston now has no goalies to trade
D. Philly not as sound as they were this time last year.
E. Chicago has issues.

There are now more teams looking then expected a few months ago with less quality goalies that fit into certain price ranges available. This may drive the price for Bernier up

Just some thoughts

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06-08-2012, 04:28 PM
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How is he going to play more?
Give him more games next season. I'm sure Quick wouldn't mind sharing more of the load for 2/3 a season, considering it will benefit the team as a whole by boosting Bernier's value if he performs. Do what the Canucks did with Schneider this season. It also might make teams, such as Tampa, more desperate for a goaltender if they are fighting for the playoffs at that time.

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06-08-2012, 04:34 PM
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Kurrilino is right and we know this because Lombardi stated so already after the trade deadline. It's why we traded Johnson and a first rather than include Bernier on any deals with Columbus for Carter.
Actually it's pretty well known Bernier wasn't included in that deal because Columbus didn't want him.

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06-08-2012, 04:45 PM
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Unless some offer comes along that blows LA away, I think they'd be smart to hold onto Bernier, particularly as his deal.

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06-08-2012, 04:51 PM
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McKenzie has said previously (around the last trade deadline) that Lombardi was offered "a first and a top prospect" for Bernier and he turned it down. If Bernier is traded before or at the draft ( especially since it's before Quick can be resigned) , many people are going to be seriously surprised at how good the return is.

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06-08-2012, 04:51 PM
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I wonder if Bernier asked for a trade, or expressed his frustration that he isn't playing enough.

At the WJC's when Steve Mason got the starter role instead of Bernier, Bernier lashed out to the media about it, in the middle of the tournament. Of course he's a lot older now, but that doesn't mean he's not the same guy that would get mad when he isn't the starter.
Obviously you have not paid attention to his development process. Had you done that, you would know that this is no longer an issue. He pouted a few times when he was sent back to the AHL. The Kings dealt with that attitude and he has been a great teammate for a while now.

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06-08-2012, 05:19 PM
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Why are people offering up 8 player/asset deals? If they trade for him it will be something like Bernier for Connolly + 2nd or something along those lines.

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06-08-2012, 05:20 PM
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McKenzie has said previously (around the last trade deadline) that Lombardi was offered "a first and a top prospect" for Bernier and he turned it down. If Bernier is traded before or at the draft ( especially since it's before Quick can be resigned) , many people are going to be seriously surprised at how good the return is.
The return will be what it ALWAYS is for a goaltender, below what you'd expect.

The few teams that need a goaltender are not in such dire need that they'd be willing to overpay for a non-NHL starter with minimal NHL experience who still needs to work his way up to becoming a starter.

The most the Kings should expect is an average NHL roster player, a decent prospect and a pick, or a high pick and an average prospect.

Goaltenders don't return full value for their potential, until Bernier starts 30-40 games and posts a better save percentage and GAA, you're going to be disappointed in the return.

And just because Lombardi was rumored to be offered "a first and a top prospect" does not mean that's the bar for acquiring a potential starter.

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06-08-2012, 05:28 PM
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And just because Lombardi was rumored to be offered "a first and a top prospect" does not mean that's the bar for acquiring a potential starter.
Come on now, you know here on HFBoards trade rumors that seem lopsided in favor of the team you root for are obviously all true and rumors that suggest a return even slightly below what the fans perceive as fair value are clearly all hogwash.

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06-08-2012, 05:41 PM
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Actually it's pretty well known Bernier wasn't included in that deal because Columbus didn't want him.
You know it's possible that he wasn't for trade AND Howson didn't want him anyway?

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You know it's possible that he wasn't for trade AND Howson didn't want him anyway?


Yes Im sure if Columbus wanted Bernier instead of the 1st round pick or instead of Johnson, Lombardi would say no because he didnt want to trade his backup goaltender to get a 1st liner winger/center in Carter.

Riiiiiight.

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Yes Im sure if Columbus wanted Bernier instead of the 1st round pick or instead of Johnson, Lombardi would say no because he didnt want to trade his backup goaltender to get a 1st liner winger/center in Carter.

Riiiiiight.
The Kings aren't going to want to move Bernier until they know Quick is locked up long term. It's really not that hard to understand.

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06-08-2012, 06:00 PM
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The Kings aren't going to want to move Bernier until they know Quick is locked up long term. It's really not that hard to understand.
Its not hard to understand that Lombardi would be an idiot if he stopped a trade for Carter (obviously assuming he wanted him like it seems he did) because Columbus wanted Bernier.

How many games has Bernier played in the playoffs? Oh yeah.

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