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Well, now we have a **** ton of depth, but what are we doing about Center. All we have right now is Fab Melo and Stiemsma, unless Garnett is playing there full time, which I doubt.

Any room for Hibbert?

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Well, now we have a **** ton of depth, but what are we doing about Center. All we have right now is Fab Melo and Stiemsma, unless Garnett is playing there full time, which I doubt.

Any room for Hibbert?
Stiemsma is an rfa (or the nba equivalent) and chris wilcox should be back. I would love hibbert, but he got offered a max contract from portland, and indiana can match. No shot he comes here.

Here's what they have so far, before allen decides, and assuming green and wilcox re-sign.

C: garnett, wilcox, melo
PF: bass, sullinger, johnson
SF: green, pierce
SG: bradley, terry, moore
PG: rondo

3 open spots.

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Not celtics related, but the thunder signed hasheem thabeet. Solid addition to a team that's already loaded.

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Thabeet sucks at everything except being tall. He won't see much time there.

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Thabeet sucks at everything except being tall. He won't see much time there.
There had been talk of buying out perkins. Thabeet can provide defense off the bench. He's not a superstar or anything, but nog useless.

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There had been talk of buying out perkins. Thabeet can provide defense off the bench. He's not a superstar or anything, but nog useless.
He can take up space. Now if Perk is bought out, perhaps we can do something in terms of giving him employment...

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Where do you come up with this stuff? Boston, Miami, LA Clippers, Suns, Lakers.

Thats more than just one team.

And BTW...you like to tralk about his missing all those 3's and costing us the title that year....Rondo getting OWNED by Chalmers had the lions share of the responsibility for not being able to close out Miami this season. Chalmers owned him in 3 Heat victories.

So, if you want to rip one guy....do the RIGHT THING, and rip the guy that you love. He cost us the NBA title this season, just as much as Allen did that year.

Rondo shot about 38% in that series....yet he is a God. BTW funny thing happened in that series. In the pivotal game 3, Rondo allowed Derek Fissher (of all players) to go off for 16 and take control of that game in the late stages. And in game 7, he hot 2 huge 3's with Rondo guarding him.

All the while, Allen had the inenviable task of defending Kobe....just a slightly more difficult task than Rondo "defending" Derek Fisher.

The FACT is this...Rondo was not good in that series. Perkins injury was what DID turn the tide in that series.

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Uh not really. Clip show cancelled after signing Crawford. He isn't interested in Phoenix or Memphis. Ray can't get more money than the Celtics are offering. He has only one other team in mind....Miami. Come on if you want to argue that its crazy.


As for your prior post I was wrong about Paul he is a deadly shooter and not a volume scorer. He is a score first PG though (both are shoot first PGs volume scorer is Rose NOT Paul.) Paul is very good however his lack of athleticism due to his injury in the playoffs can/may hurt him going forward. If he doesn't have that first step he isn't going to be better than the other stars.

Disagree about Rose he isn't that good. The team wasn't dreadful without him. Philly could have won the series with him playing. Plays on a good team takes a million shots. Rondo makes his teammates better because he distributes. Those guys distribute better than many PGs but its not the main part of their game (scoring.) Rondo bases his game around distributing. He makes passes NOONE else in the NBA can make. These defenses are good Rondo can break them down. A guy like Rondo makes it so much easier to score in the half court and makes the team not rely on the other team to miss shots for good offensive possessions.

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Uh not really. Clip show cancelled after signing Crawford. He isn't interested in Phoenix or Memphis. Ray can't get more money than the Celtics are offering. He has only one other team in mind....Miami. Come on if you want to argue that its crazy.


As for your prior post I was wrong about Paul he is a deadly shooter and not a volume scorer. He is a score first PG though (both are shoot first PGs volume scorer is Rose NOT Paul.) Paul is very good however his lack of athleticism due to his injury in the playoffs can/may hurt him going forward. If he doesn't have that first step he isn't going to be better than the other stars.

Disagree about Rose he isn't that good. The team wasn't dreadful without him. Philly could have won the series with him playing. Plays on a good team takes a million shots. Rondo makes his teammates better because he distributes. Those guys distribute better than many PGs but its not the main part of their game (scoring.)
It's definitely Boston or Miami at this point for Allen.

I think you might be alone in thinking that Philly could have beaten Chicago with a healthy Rose. He was hurt, came back shortly before the playoffs, got hurt again, and was done for the year. When healthy, he is that good. He is the reason that team was viewed as the favorites from the East for most of the season.

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Lets be honest if Allen wanted to stay with the Celtics he would have already signed. Obviously he doesn't want to sign here because of Rondo etc. Have fun in Miami playing 12 minutes a game Ray thanks for the Championship.

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Lets be honest if Allen wanted to stay with the Celtics he would have already signed. Obviously he doesn't want to sign here because of Rondo etc. Have fun in Miami playing 12 minutes a game Ray thanks for the Championship.
That's one view of it. Maybe he just wants to be courted. He can make twice as much money here. Terry is capable of handling the ball, so he could get minutes at backup PG, so it's not like he'll steal all of Allen's minutes.

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That's one view of it. Maybe he just wants to be courted. He can make twice as much money here. Terry is capable of handling the ball, so he could get minutes at backup PG, so it's not like he'll steal all of Allen's minutes.
I guess everyone likes to be wanted. Its just my feeling that the Celts can offer him the most money and the most playing time and it should have ended there. Yet he is taking meetings with other teams and is clearly looking for something else. With the Terry signing I say good riddance.

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Did anyone really want Allen back anyway?

Old, injury-prone, skills quickly diminishing.

I don't know if Terry really counts as "getting younger," but that was the way to go.

Pretty happy with Ainge. Nice job keeping KG, who as long as he can stay strong, should always have a spot. He's a warrior. A real legend.

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Did anyone really want Allen back anyway?

Old, injury-prone, skills quickly diminishing.

I don't know if Terry really counts as "getting younger," but that was the way to go.

Pretty happy with Ainge. Nice job keeping KG, who as long as he can stay strong, should always have a spot. He's a warrior. A real legend.
I think the thought was it would be nice to keep the playoff team from last year, and add Jeff Green, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley, Fab Melo, Jared Sullinger, and Chris Wilcox. If you can add that to the team, and only subtract bit players, you stand a much better chance in the playoffs.

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I like what's happening so far this off-season. Better depth already on the roster.

I thought I heard they were interested in Marcus Camby as well; that would be a nice fit I think. Local guy that would shore up the center position and not force Fab Melo to have to be anything special in his rookie year. Not sure what cost though.

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Uh not really. Clip show cancelled after signing Crawford. He isn't interested in Phoenix or Memphis. Ray can't get more money than the Celtics are offering. He has only one other team in mind....Miami. Come on if you want to argue that its crazy.


As for your prior post I was wrong about Paul he is a deadly shooter and not a volume scorer. He is a score first PG though (both are shoot first PGs volume scorer is Rose NOT Paul.) Paul is very good however his lack of athleticism due to his injury in the playoffs can/may hurt him going forward. If he doesn't have that first step he isn't going to be better than the other stars.

Disagree about Rose he isn't that good. The team wasn't dreadful without him. Philly could have won the series with him playing. Plays on a good team takes a million shots. Rondo makes his teammates better because he distributes. Those guys distribute better than many PGs but its not the main part of their game (scoring.) Rondo bases his game around distributing. He makes passes NOONE else in the NBA can make. These defenses are good Rondo can break them down. A guy like Rondo makes it so much easier to score in the half court and makes the team not rely on the other team to miss shots for good offensive possessions.
Again....Rose only takes 5 shots a game more than Rondo. Thats not many in the grand scheme of things.

One of the top 5 guys in the NBA when healthy.

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Did anyone really want Allen back anyway?

Old, injury-prone, skills quickly diminishing.

I don't know if Terry really counts as "getting younger," but that was the way to go.

Pretty happy with Ainge. Nice job keeping KG, who as long as he can stay strong, should always have a spot. He's a warrior. A real legend.
Allen carried this team early on. He was the only guy who could find his own shot. He kept the C's season from ending before it began. And realistically, he only slowed down when he got the ankle injury. Had that not happened, he likely remains their most consistent offensive threat.

I would exactly call him injury prone. Thats his first real injury in 5 years. Severe high ankle sprains will kill anyone.

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Lets be honest if Allen wanted to stay with the Celtics he would have already signed. Obviously he doesn't want to sign here because of Rondo etc. Have fun in Miami playing 12 minutes a game Ray thanks for the Championship.
Rondo isnt exactly a well like guy is he?

He had a major issue with Allen....refusing to pass him the ball when he was wide open for 3's, instead choosing to dribble it back out top.

Paul Pierce has had well known issues with Rondo....as has KG.

And he and Doc have butt heads over and over since he was drafted.

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Rondo isnt exactly a well like guy is he?

He had a major issue with Allen....refusing to pass him the ball when he was wide open for 3's, instead choosing to dribble it back out top.

Paul Pierce has had well known issues with Rondo....as has KG.

And he and Doc have butt heads over and over since he was drafted.

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Are you a high IQ version of the poster Dojji needing to have a controversial opinion with the Rondo hate?

I like your posts you know what your talking about but I remember you going out of your way to bash Marchand after he was our best skater against teh Canucks and passing along stories of things he said on the ice to get under other players skin (that shouldn't leave the rink or make it to message boards I've said stuff in a locker room or in a scrum in front of the net that I'd only say elsewhere maybe in a bar fight or something not in front of the world doesn't way happens at the rink stay at the rink?)


If Rondo is such a punk how come he is the least selfish PG in the NBA on the court? Name a point guard who has the talent to score 15+ a game who ALWAYS looks to pass first like Rondo! YOU CAN'T HE IS THE BEST DISTRIBUTOR IN THE NBA! GO LOOK UP THE STATS YOU GONNA TRY AND TELL US NASH WHO ISN'T A SHELL OF HIS 2005-2008 SELF IS BETTER STILL? OR WHOVER THE FREAK IS #3 IN ASSISTS PER GAME?


WHY THE FREAK DOES HE NEED TO PASS TO ALLEN WHEN RAY IS SUCKING AND HOBBLING AROUND AND (I THINK) THE CAREER FT% LEADER CANT EVEN HIT THOSE? ITS HIS TEAM NOW AND THATS WHY WE ALMOST TOOK OUT THE HEAT BECAUSE PP AND KG ACCEPTED THIS!


Rondo was probably right not passing to Allen cause he saw him missing FTs and knew he'd brick the 3 and give the other team a fast break. Rondo can't play a lot of transition D he will get in foul trouble (nor can he pressure the ball handler for more than a couple minutes a game.)


Allen was bad this year. BAD. As in not worth 12 mil over 2 years. His high scoring games where he scored a lot came with other guys were off. He was a weak link the rest of the year. I still give it to him because I think he fits Miami perfectly (he can hit the shots Miller Jones Battier did) so I sign him and tell him to go play for the NBDL team. He only played well a few games in the playoffs. When he was forced to be the guy with KG and PP starting slow he sucked flat out (and then got hurt). Has Allen had a Mark Recchi-like impact on our dressing room where he is out and out altruistic and deserves a pass on anything since he is such a great influence? Nope...I give KG credit for being that kind of presence but Allen isn't a great leader. He is a solid human being and person of the court (that will change when he goes to Miami a little for me but not much) and is a good player but he isn't a star anymore. I'd rather accomodate an aging Pierce than an aging Ray Allen.



Jeff do you think Pierce in 2 years will be as selfish as Allen is right now whining about being behind Avery? Or do you think Peirce will just want to add to his rings and take the eventual demotion in stride?


Edit- 1st- Sorry if this post is rude Jeff or flaming. 2nd- I didn't make a point that I think you are emphasizing the part of the season which almost "didn't happen" that wasn't our real team at the beginning of the season. We were as big a joke as the Knicks. Once we stopped being a joke like the Knicks Allen was bad. So I can't really credit him like you do for being our best player early in the year when the Celtics were behaving like the Knicks.


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Allen was not bad last year. As a matter of fact, he shot the highest percentage from three in his career. Very common misconception that he was bad when in fact he was our best player half way through the year, and only saw his play suffer when forced to play through injuries.

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Allen was not bad last year. As a matter of fact, he shot the highest percentage from three in his career. Very common misconception that he was bad when in fact he was our best player half way through the year, and only saw his play suffer when forced to play through injuries.
Peirce and KG were literally at "glue farm" status when Allen was playing well. We'd have traded all 3 of them for the right offer.

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Are you a high IQ version of the poster Dojji needing to have a controversial opinion with the Rondo hate?

I like your posts you know what your talking about but I remember you going out of your way to bash Marchand after he was our best skater against teh Canucks and passing along stories of things he said on the ice to get under other players skin (that shouldn't leave the rink or make it to message boards I've said stuff in a locker room or in a scrum in front of the net that I'd only say elsewhere maybe in a bar fight or something not in front of the world doesn't way happens at the rink stay at the rink?)


If Rondo is such a punk how come he is the least selfish PG in the NBA on the court? Name a point guard who has the talent to score 15+ a game who ALWAYS looks to pass first like Rondo! YOU CAN'T HE IS THE BEST DISTRIBUTOR IN THE NBA! GO LOOK UP THE STATS YOU GONNA TRY AND TELL US NASH WHO ISN'T A SHELL OF HIS 2005-2008 SELF IS BETTER STILL? OR WHOVER THE FREAK IS #3 IN ASSISTS PER GAME?


WHY THE FREAK DOES HE NEED TO PASS TO ALLEN WHEN RAY IS SUCKING AND HOBBLING AROUND AND (I THINK) THE CAREER FT% LEADER CANT EVEN HIT THOSE? ITS HIS TEAM NOW AND THATS WHY WE ALMOST TOOK OUT THE HEAT BECAUSE PP AND KG ACCEPTED THIS!


Rondo was probably right not passing to Allen cause he saw him missing FTs and knew he'd brick the 3 and give the other team a fast break. Rondo can't play a lot of transition D he will get in foul trouble (nor can he pressure the ball handler for more than a couple minutes a game.)


Allen was bad this year. BAD. As in not worth 12 mil over 2 years. His high scoring games where he scored a lot came with other guys were off. He was a weak link the rest of the year. I still give it to him because I think he fits Miami perfectly (he can hit the shots Miller Jones Battier did) so I sign him and tell him to go play for the NBDL team. He only played well a few games in the playoffs. When he was forced to be the guy with KG and PP starting slow he sucked flat out (and then got hurt). Has Allen had a Mark Recchi-like impact on our dressing room where he is out and out altruistic and deserves a pass on anything since he is such a great influence? Nope...I give KG credit for being that kind of presence but Allen isn't a great leader. He is a solid human being and person of the court (that will change when he goes to Miami a little for me but not much) and is a good player but he isn't a star anymore. I'd rather accomodate an aging Pierce than an aging Ray Allen.



Jeff do you think Pierce in 2 years will be as selfish as Allen is right now whining about being behind Avery? Or do you think Peirce will just want to add to his rings and take the eventual demotion in stride?


Edit- 1st- Sorry if this post is rude Jeff or flaming. 2nd- I didn't make a point that I think you are emphasizing the part of the season which almost "didn't happen" that wasn't our real team at the beginning of the season. We were as big a joke as the Knicks. Once we stopped being a joke like the Knicks Allen was bad. So I can't really credit him like you do for being our best player early in the year when the Celtics were behaving like the Knicks.
With regards to the least selfish part, rondo does not shoot well. If he wasn't super unselfish, he might not see the floor all that often.

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Just saw A. Sherrod Blakely retweeted that Ray Allen might not be the Heat's top choice with their $3 million exception, but rather that it might be Marcus Camby.

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