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06-17-2013, 03:17 PM
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Looks like the trade is finally going to happen!
A trade that is nowhere close to what it was before. As of now it's Rivers/KG/and one of Terry or Lee for Caron Butler, DeAndre Johnson and a 1st round pick?

No Eric Bledsoe? Yikes.

Still getting rid of salary and getting a good C and a pick is nice.

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06-17-2013, 03:27 PM
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DeAndre Jordan is grossly overpaid and isn't that good. The first this year isn't too valuable. I would rather have KG.

Can't imagine anything would come back for Pierce.

I would hold off on dumping Lee's salary too.

Don't love the deal. No matter what we do I don't think we will suck enough to tank for one of the top 4-5 picks next year when a couple franchise players should be coming into the league.

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06-17-2013, 03:32 PM
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The thing that makes me laugh about this whole thing is that Doc apparently wants to work for Donald Sterling. I love Doc, but looks like he might have skipped some crucial homework on this one.

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06-17-2013, 03:38 PM
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I do not follow basketball at all, so I could be understanding this wrong. My understanding is the Rivers signed a 5 year contract and then reportedly has decided he does not want to fulfill the contract and wants to be moved? If so, do all the TT haters now also hate Rivers?
I actually do feel the same way. He's basically holding the Celtics hostage by wanting to go to LA and if he doesn't he'll take his ball and go home and take a broadcasting job. He knew the Big 3 era was closing when he signed the deal. You don't want to rebuild? Tough ****, you're one of the highest paid coaches do your job. The organization brought him an all star cast for him to make runs at a title and he did deliver one. Now the future is a bit cloudy and he wants out, coward move.

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06-17-2013, 03:40 PM
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The thing that makes me laugh about this whole thing is that Doc apparently wants to work for Donald Sterling. I love Doc, but looks like he might have skipped some crucial homework on this one.
Doc's there to coach the basketball team. Why should he be worried about Sterling? Sterling's also not what he used to be. The guy's spending all the money he can right now and it looks like he just wants to win a title before father time catches up to him.

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06-17-2013, 03:47 PM
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I don't like this purposed deal, DeAndre Jordan is the centerpiece???
KG even at his age>Jordan
Doc>any other coach we get
Clippers are gonna be good so the first round pick is gonna suck anyway.

Personally I'd like to see Pierce and KG back for one more run with a healthy Rondo. This doesn't do crap to set them up for rebuilding unless it makes them suck bad enough to get into the lottery.

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06-17-2013, 03:48 PM
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I actually do feel the same way. He's basically holding the Celtics hostage by wanting to go to LA and if he doesn't he'll take his ball and go home and take a broadcasting job. He knew the Big 3 era was closing when he signed the deal. You don't want to rebuild? Tough ****, you're one of the highest paid coaches do your job. The organization brought him an all star cast for him to make runs at a title and he did deliver one. Now the future is a bit cloudy and he wants out, coward move.
He was never going to stay here 10+ years.

The guy is ready for a change, he wouldn't leave for another team as a contender but now we aren't Rondo and a bunch of question marks aren't enough for him to want to stay. Coaches only have certain shelf lives Doc Rivers doesn't have another 8-9 years in Boston post big 3 in him (if he stayed a Celtic he'd be signing up for another 2-3 years of rebuilding and 5-6 as a contender.)

We can keep him from working for any other NBA team until 2015. If the Clips don't get him any team that he wants to coach who wants to sign us is going to have to work out a sweetheart trade with Ainge.




Fingers crossed we go sign Lionel Hollins as coach. He is the best coach in the NBA.

I personally make the best offer we can make to get Griffin. All of a sudden he is available and the price tag sounds low if they need to add Bledsoe to get Howard. Toss in a couple firsts and Melo or Sully and send Pierce.

Pierce, KG, Doc, Fab Melo, pick for Blake Griffen sounds good to me.

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Who the hell is DeAndre Jordan? Caron Butler was mediocre when he came out of UCONN like 11 years ago. Is that really the best Ainge could do?

I knew the Big 3 era was coming to a quick end, but I didn't think we'd blow it up completely. Might as well get some picks for Rondo too and try to tank for the next few years then try again.

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Who the hell is DeAndre Jordan? Caron Butler was mediocre when he came out of UCONN like 11 years ago. Is that really the best Ainge could do?

I knew the Big 3 era was coming to a quick end, but I didn't think we'd blow it up completely. Might as well get some picks for Rondo too and try to tank for the next few years then try again.
Butler is in there to make salaries matchup. It's an expiring contract, happens all the time.

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Who the hell is DeAndre Jordan? Caron Butler was mediocre when he came out of UCONN like 11 years ago. Is that really the best Ainge could do?

I knew the Big 3 era was coming to a quick end, but I didn't think we'd blow it up completely. Might as well get some picks for Rondo too and try to tank for the next few years then try again.
DeAndre Jordan likes to dunk the basketball, averaged almost 9 pts and 8 rebs a game. Stepped it up to 3.5 ppg in the post season and 6 rebs a game. Great building block for the future

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06-17-2013, 04:00 PM
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Stephen A Smith was right all along

Gonna be so sad to see Pierce leave

One of my favorite Boston athletes of all time an absolute legend

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DeAndre Jordan is a young, okay role player on a good team, but he is something as opposed to nothing.

Doc doesn't want to be here anymore.

Pierce is going to be out one way or another, and with Pierce and Doc gone, Garnett would walk away. So, you might as well move Doc and Garnett and get something for them, instead of getting nothing. The team is going to suck next year no matter what. They are blowing it up, and Garnett and Doc aren't going to help you next year. If anything, they are going to cause you to be a 7 or 8 seed instead of bottoming out and getting back into the lottery.

Jordan is a piece, the draft pick is a piece, and Butler's contract expires after this year...so he could be a piece as well.

It's about accumulating young, cheap, pieces with upside, either to build around or trade for something better.

This deal is as good as it was going to get.

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06-17-2013, 05:11 PM
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WEEI reporting that Chris Paul has supposedly confirmed that he would re-sign with LA if they acquire Rivers and Garnett, and that it's good news for the Celts. Now that Paul has publicly said that, it gives Boston some much needed leverage to close this out. Would be kind of hard for LA to back out now?

Also, I don't think the Rivers - Thomas comparisons work. Rivers was (apparently) under the impression that he was going to be able to make another run at the championship, while Ainge wants to start the rebuild now.

Hard to blame either side, although Doc had to know the rebuild was coming. The Celtics were not beating MIA as currently constructed, so I don't blame Ainge. Hopefully, he can maximize the return for Doc and KG.

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06-17-2013, 05:29 PM
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WEEI reporting that Chris Paul has supposedly confirmed that he would re-sign with LA if they acquire Rivers and Garnett, and that it's good news for the Celts. Now that Paul has publicly said that, it gives Boston some much needed leverage to close this out. Would be kind of hard for LA to back out now?

Also, I don't think the Rivers - Thomas comparisons work. Rivers was (apparently) under the impression that he was going to be able to make another run at the championship, while Ainge wants to start the rebuild now.

Hard to blame either side, although Doc had to know the rebuild was coming. The Celtics were not beating MIA as currently constructed, so I don't blame Ainge. Hopefully, he can maximize the return for Doc and KG.
Rivers has been here forever. 9 years.

I think Rivers had no problems working under Ainge because Danny got him Allen and KG to go with Pierce. However going forward Rivers has no control over personnel and is at Ainge's mercy. Rivers can't tell Ainge what to do I think he's been fine with that up until now but you can't really expect a coach of his stature to have such little control on personnel.

If Rivers could coach KG and PP into their retirement and try and get them Championship level help he'd do it. But he has no control over what Ainge does. And Rivers stock is currently very high if he stayed and had 2 bad seasons in Boston and he won't be such a highly sought commodity. Its time for him to move on. Even if the Clips deal falls through.

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WEEI reporting that Chris Paul has supposedly confirmed that he would re-sign with LA if they acquire Rivers and Garnett, and that it's good news for the Celts. Now that Paul has publicly said that, it gives Boston some much needed leverage to close this out. Would be kind of hard for LA to back out now?

Also, I don't think the Rivers - Thomas comparisons work. Rivers was (apparently) under the impression that he was going to be able to make another run at the championship, while Ainge wants to start the rebuild now.

Hard to blame either side, although Doc had to know the rebuild was coming. The Celtics were not beating MIA as currently constructed, so I don't blame Ainge. Hopefully, he can maximize the return for Doc and KG.
If that's the case and Paul isn't going to bolt when his contract is up, then the Celtics should push for Bledsoe in the deal. He is going to be nothing more than a role player in LA as long as Paul is there, except for the event of a freak injury. They're not maximizing Bledsoe's value keeping him as a backup PG. Hope the Celts can find a way to get him in the deal.

Actually now that I think about it, there was a rumored deal for Bledsoe/Griffin for Howard so maybe that's why they're refusing to deal him to Boston?

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Danny Ainge told the Globe the deal is dead according to Baxter Holmes on twitter.

Baxter Holmes ‏@BaxterHolmes 7m
Danny Ainge confirms to the @BostonGlobe that the proposed Clippers-Celtics deal is, in fact, dead.

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Good for Ainge.

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Lets hope the deal is in fact dead. You gotta give to get. The Clippers can't see that so, sorry you can't have them.

In all honesty, I'm greedy and I want Ainge to give it one more go with KG, Pierce & Doc. Will it be good for the club? Eh. Probably not. But seeing PP in another uniform would make me puke.

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Lets hope the deal is in fact dead. You gotta give to get. The Clippers can't see that so, sorry you can't have them.

In all honesty, I'm greedy and I want Ainge to give it one more go with KG, Pierce & Doc. Will it be good for the club? Eh. Probably not. But seeing PP in another uniform would make me puke.
Yeah.

Funny thing is at this point I think there is too much money for anyone on the line to do otherwise. In fact, this time next year I wouldn't be shocked if the same kinda crap goes down AGAIN. I see Garnett and Pierce as guys who will keep playing into old age. I think the pair will look to latch onto a contender at the trade deadline if we stink or next summer IMO. I think both think they have another year or two left in themselves if they can be the complimentary pieces on a good team. I don't think they have much tread in the tires if they are supposed to be stars though and carry a team (like they'd be here.)



Right now we probably bring everyone back. Management and Danny might not be happy about it (7 mil to Doc 15 to Paul) though so if a deal is forced through its to avoid paying those 2. Paul and Doc have a lot of money owed to them for guys who might not want to be here. And Pierce's 15 years as the teams main player are over.


Is Doc really going to leave the 7 mil a year that Donald Sterling WOULDN'T pay him on the table to broadcast for 10% of that while the Celtics still control him for 3 more years? Probably not. He'll coach.

Is KG ready to retire and never play again? Probably not (or he'd have done so by now.)


Pierce: Now he's the one who will dictate what happens.

1 of 2 things happens

-Danny trades him at the draft to save the money and force Doc to retire. (In which case KG retires.)

-Pierce stays. He gets 15 mil. Rivers decides he wants his 7. KG wants to play with his boys.


There is nowhere else for Doc Rivers to coach. I think this deal would be completed by now if he took a paycut to work for the Clips. I bet all 3 return.

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^ you may very good points.

I see all three returning, and I hope they do. A healthy Rondo this team can do anything. Now, if we can shed some $$ IE-Terry or Lee, we can try to sign maybe Ellis, or Smith. Its all about the numbers. The Draft will be something to watch.

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Celtics are being dumb get rid of them for anything

We don't want to pull the bird era again where we kept evetyone way too long took 15 years to recover

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Also this team have a 0% chance of winning the title blow it up

Tank for Wiggins!

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We don't want to pull the bird era again where we kept evetyone way too long took 15 years to recover
To late

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We don't want to pull the bird era again where we kept evetyone way too long took 15 years to recover
This is a reasonable post.

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Also this team have a 0% chance of winning the title blow it up

Tank for Wiggins!
This can't/won't happen. I don't think under any circumstances we can suck enough to get a top 5 lottery pick. There is some serious garbage in the NBA and next year they all know there will be 3-4 franchise players coming into the NBA. No matter what we do we are getting a 7/8 seed and making the playoffs.

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I'd call KG and Doc's bluffs if I were Ainge unless the Clippers want to offer Bledsoe or something with actual value.

If Doc would rather call games on TNT for a couple hundred thousand instead of coaching in Boston for $7 million, then **** him. If KG would rather retire than play another year here, then **** him too.

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