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06-11-2012, 01:17 AM
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One kid that is way too underrated from the Q is William Carrier. Had a terrific 2nd season and has played in the Q before Grégoire and Drouin.
Yup he had good numbers on a really bad team. Don't forget that he's older than Grégoire and Drouin though, and that weighs in the balance. Not to mention that Grégoire had to play behind Sedlak and Lebel to begin the year.

Carrier's on my radar though, don't worry

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06-11-2012, 01:21 AM
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You're a good ole' Sherbrooke guy huh? I am too. I played with Jeremy Grégoire a few years back.
Well I'm from Fleurimont first

But yeah the kid's gonna be a Pro, I have zero doubt about it.

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I keep reading comparisons between Murray and Niedermeyer, but I don't know, a lot of names are thrown out, and one that I didn't see so far, is Duncan Keith... I think that if he develops properly, he could be exactly that kind of player. Elite 2-way D, not so much an offensive D...
I don't see the same puck carrying ability with Ryan Murray. And I don't see that ceiling either with him.

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Once again, back when we picked Price, we already had José Théodore and Halak and Huet in the system. Maybe we think that we are stacked with defenseman: Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis, etc. Who knows, maybe Ryan Murray could turn out a generational defenseman or simply our franchise defensemen. He's much more complete than PK at the same age that's for sure.
Difference being that Théodore and Huet were professionnals back then. As a future we only really had Halak a 9th round pick who lost early in the playoffs in the 'Q and who had 13 AHL games under his belt. Right now we have more than enough D's coming up the pipe, and talented ones at that. We drafted 5 D's with our 7 picks last year.


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06-11-2012, 07:47 AM
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I know that he's ranking pretty high, but I know like nothing about Murray. Some say that he's not flashy at all, not a big offensive guy. I'm just wondering... why is he ranked so high if he's like a Josh Gorges with maybe 30-40 pts potential?

Why guys like Dumba or Rielly who can become flashy superstars aren't ranked higher?

Note: I am NOT hating on Murray, since I do not know him, just waiting for someone to talk more about him so I can understand all the hype.
You get the feeling that since he's the most "NHL-ready" of the lot, that somehow he'll progress into something special by the time he'll actually make the jump

But I totally agree. I keep hearing qualities like "skating" and "vision", but nothing that would make him stand out as elite in any aspect of the game. Drafting him at #3 would be the biggest let-down for me at this point

Like you said, if the Habs are dead-set on drafting a defenceman, trade down and grab someone that truly excels in one or more facets (like Dumba or Rielly). And if THIS happens, you have to start asking yourself if we really can't have too much of a good thing...

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If the comparisons made between Ryan Murray and Scott Niedermayer are close to true, then the Habs would be very fortunate.Having a choice between Forsberg-Murray-Teravainen becomes an envious position for the rest of the GM's in the league.The 2012 draft is looking pretty good for Bergevin & Timmins,add the two 2nd round picks and early 3rd and the Habs could draft 4 future NHLers.

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I know I have said it before but if The Habs are dead set on TT or one of the d-men (not Murray) I hope they trade down and get another asset or two.....

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If the comparisons made between Ryan Murray and Scott Niedermayer are close to true, then the Habs would be very fortunate.Having a choice between Forsberg-Murray-Teravainen becomes an envious position for the rest of the GM's in the league.The 2012 draft is looking pretty good for Bergevin & Timmins,add the two 2nd round picks and early 3rd and the Habs could draft 4 future NHLers.
and damn good ones at that. We could still end up with a 2nd liner or 2nd pairing by our 3rd rd pick.

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I see NOTHING of Scott Niedermayer in Murray's game. He isn't nearly as good of a skater, nor does he have that world beater attitude to go end to end with the puck. Hes a solid puck mover, but hes not imaginative.

Gally in Montreal makes me excited!!

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If our scouts think Murray is a 25-minute per game number one pairing Dman and think the forwards (other than Yakupov) are more suited for the second line, you rank Murray ahead of them. Now if our scouts think one or more of these forwards will become 1st liners, that changes everything. But you can't pass up a possible impact player for a 2nd line player if those are the options.

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If our scouts think Murray is a 25-minute per game number one pairing Dman and think the forwards (other than Yakupov) are more suited for the second line, you rank Murray ahead of them. Now if our scouts think one or more of these forwards will become 1st liners, that changes everything. But you can't pass up a possible impact player for a 2nd line player if those are the options.
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When we drafted Ryan McDonaugh...they said the same things about him...did not excel in any one area...but was very good at everything...perhaps Murray is like that

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I see NOTHING of Scott Niedermayer in Murray's game. He isn't nearly as good of a skater, nor does he have that world beater attitude to go end to end with the puck. Hes a solid puck mover, but hes not imaginative.

Gally in Montreal makes me excited!!
Dont The Habs already have a version of Gally though? A 2 way center that can put up 65-70 points? does pleks ring any bells???


If you want a big center who can really be something we dont have, you have to go with Grigs IMO.

My current wish list
Murray
Grigs
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06-11-2012, 09:42 AM
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Dont The Habs already have a version of Gally though? A 2 way center that can put up 65-70 points? does pleks ring any bells???


If you want a big center who can really be something we dont have, you have to go with Grigs IMO.

My current wish list
Murray
Grigs
Forsberg
I actually never thought of it in those terms. Interesting.

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When we drafted Ryan McDonaugh...they said the same things about him...did not excel in any one area...but was very good at everything...perhaps Murray is like that
Yeah but it's a risk you can live with at #12...at #3, it's a bit harder to swallow.

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Murray is an all around defenseman, if we draft him I think we might have one of the best defence cores in the league one day in the near future:

Tinordi - Subban
Gorges - Murray
Beaulieu - Emelin
Ellis

If we draft Galchenyuk, I can see:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher as our top line one day!

If we draft Forsberg or Yakupov, I can see:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Yakupov/Forsberg one day!

The bottom line is that we have a very good chance to draft a franchise player in less than two weeks so let's wait and see what happens.

My pick is Murray or Galchenyuk ;-)

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Yeah but it's a risk you can live with at #12...at #3, it's a bit harder to swallow.
I'd take Mcdonaugh at 3.

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Dont The Habs already have a version of Gally though? A 2 way center that can put up 65-70 points? does pleks ring any bells???


If you want a big center who can really be something we dont have, you have to go with Grigs IMO.

My current wish list
Murray
Grigs
Forsberg
Pleks and Gally are not comparable players(at all.)

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Pleks and Gally are not comparable players(at all.)
how are they not comparable??

Gally is alittle bigger but IMO they are very compareable players. Both are best fit for the 2nd center role, Which we have already. in fact we have 3-4 guys that are best fit for the 2nd center role.


If you are really looking for a 6`4 230lbs monster of a center, IMO you take Grigo and hope he matures into Malkin lite.....


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how are they not comparable??

Gally is alittle bigger but IMO they are very compareable players. Both are best fit for the 2nd center role, Which we have already. in fact we have 3-4 guys that are best fit for the 2nd center role.


If you are really looking for a 6`4 230lbs monster of a center, IMO you take Grigo and hope he matures into Malkin lite.....
Are Hossa and Pleks comparable?

1) You assume that Gally is a 2nd center: why? He's 18 and he's one of the guys that have the potential to be a first line center.

2) Gally is big, in fact he might be bigger than Grigs. By big I mean, being willing to go in traffic and play with size. Plus he's already 6'2'', no offense to Pleks, but this is a very different size & physical impact. Eller and Leblanc never really showed the level of offensive upside Gally did.

We don't have a "guy like gally", we just don't. Please stop. It's not about being high on him, there's really no one in our organization that plays like him.

3) It's not because we have X Y Z that we shouldn't draft A because we think he's the best player. Pick the best player, no matter how or what position he plays.

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how are they not comparable??

Gally is alittle bigger but IMO they are very compareable players. Both are best fit for the 2nd center role, Which we have already. in fact we have 3-4 guys that are best fit for the 2nd center role.


If you are really looking for a 6`4 230lbs monster of a center, IMO you take Grigo and hope he matures into Malkin lite.....
The main reason I am so tantalized by Grigs, is the thought of Timmins getting ahold of him, and getting the kid in the gym.

I for one get the sense that Grigs is as good as he is despite the fact he's never lifted a weight in his life. By all accounts he's a good kid who wants to be great, so I don't see why Timmins wouldn't be able to get him to be the explosive and strong monster he's capable of being...

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I actually never thought of it in those terms. Interesting.
Gally as nothing in common with Plecks....nothing. Plecks wishes to have half of Gally's offensive abilities...

FYI, many people see Gally's offensive side as strong as Grigo...

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I don't think Galchenyuk is a 2nd liner. He's got good size 6'1, 200lbs, and great hands. Kinda reminds me a bit of Jonathan Toews.

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Galchenyuk was compared to Hossa in his first year. Real 2nd line ceiling there.

He reminds me of Toews in that people dismiss his offensive skill because he plays a 2 way game.

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how are they not comparable??

Gally is alittle bigger but IMO they are very compareable players. Both are best fit for the 2nd center role, Which we have already. in fact we have 3-4 guys that are best fit for the 2nd center role.


If you are really looking for a 6`4 230lbs monster of a center, IMO you take Grigo and hope he matures into Malkin lite.....
How do you see Gally has a second line C? He's one of the top offensive players in the draft, and could be making a case for first overall if it wasn't for last seasons injury.

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So were back to Grigorenko now?

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