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06-11-2012, 11:02 PM
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Idk I mean he played with the top line early in the year and lately they haven't done much early (ask Stajan ) I feel that at a young age chemistry is huge in building confidence and offense and he simply has not been given much consistency in linemates. When he did have constant linemates (Tko and Jackman) he did well. I feel like he should be given an entire year with the same linemates before we decide what to do with him. 24 year old defensively sound centermen are useful but aren't valued highly lets see if we can get something more out of him.
don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for peanuts or anything but if we had the chance to address another need for this team and acquire a player in a similar position to Backlund or a prospect with greater upside I would.

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don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for peanuts or anything but if we had the chance to address another need for this team and acquire a player in a similar position to Backlund or a prospect with greater upside I would.
Our two major needs imo top 4 defenseman , young centerman. I don't think he gets a top 4 defenseman and he won't get a better young centerman.

What about 14th + Backlund for K.Palmieri + S.Erixon ?

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Beaulieu + 15th for Gio + ?


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exactly you can not go with a bunch of question marks in today's NHL. I have seen certain posters here predicting Cervenka will put up 50+ points this season as a center for us, I don't know what they are smoking to think a 26 year old NHL "rookie" will put up enough points to be in the top 30 in his position.

It is unfair to expect more than 30 points from Cervenka IMO, its not fair to expect Backlund to put up more than 35 points and its not fair to expect Stajan to put up 40+ points, yet these posters seem to think all 3 of these guys will be impact players this year, or will at the very least "make up what Jokinen does". The pressure these centermen will be under if we don't bring back Jokinen is incredible and doing nothing but setting them and this team up for failure.

It's like people think 61 points as a center in today's NHL is an easy number to achieve. It's as if they don't recognize that a mere 35 centers reached 50 points this season as well as last and quite a few less did it in both years.

They seem so stuck on age that they don't care about winning, it's what I hate about this site, people are unable to think for themselves and see that younger is only better when the player is better.
Flames aren't going to compete next season anyway, so I don't see a lot of reason to push to keep Joker around, unless cap space is freed up somewhere.

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Flames aren't going to compete next season anyway, so I don't see a lot of reason to push to keep Joker around, unless cap space is freed up somewhere.
WE HAVE 17+ MILLION IN CAP SPACE RIGHT NOW! why are we freeing up cap space again.

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Our two major needs imo top 4 defenseman , young centerman. I don't think he gets a top 4 defenseman and he won't get a better young centerman.

What about 14th + Backlund for K.Palmieri + S.Erixon ?

Or


Beaulieu + 15th for Gio + ?
don't know much about those guys. But I didn't mean Backlund straight up to fill a void. I was thinking Backlund for a RH defenseman that has top 4 potential that might need a change of scenery, that type of thing.

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Random Rangers fan here:

What are your feelings about the potential of you guys resigning Moss and Stempniak? And also, could you give me a brief idea of the type of players they are? I get that Moss was hurt for most of last year.

One of the big things my team needs is a 3rd line RW. They seem to be the only two out there.

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Even through trade route, any interest in going after the NYR for Girardi?
From a few pages back, but I can answer this (so I hope someone answers my inquiries in the previous post )

If the Rangers are going to trade any of their top-4 D, it would either be Staal or Del Zotto. Girardi is currently the only right defenseman on the roster, not including Mike Sauer who may not even return next year. I'm pretty sure Staal and Del Zotto aren't going anywhere either. The Rangers D was great last year, but a huge problem we ran into is a lack of a bonafide third pair. Until that's addressed, none of our D are being moved.

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Random Rangers fan here:

What are your feelings about the potential of you guys resigning Moss and Stempniak? And also, could you give me a brief idea of the type of players they are? I get that Moss was hurt for most of last year.

One of the big things my team needs is a 3rd line RW. They seem to be the only two out there.
Moss is injured so often he should be packed in bubble wrap during games and practices (or just live in a bubble for that matter). Can play either wing and is probably one of the better options for the third line when healthy. Also a first line center too, according to our former head coach...

There's a chance Stempniak is re-signed by the Flames.

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Moss is injured so often he should be packed in bubble wrap during games and practices (or just live in a bubble for that matter). Can play either wing and is probably one of the better options for the third line when healthy. Also a first line center too, according to our former head coach...

There's a chance Stempniak is re-signed by the Flames.
Ha, yeah I kinda got that impression looking at Moss' stats. For both of them, what about skating, physicality, defensive play? Are they straight ahead muck it out types or more finesse types?

Obviously, I don't get to see these guys, pretty much ever.

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Ha, yeah I kinda got that impression looking at Moss' stats. For both of them, what about skating, physicality, defensive play? Are they straight ahead muck it out types or more finesse types?

Obviously, I don't get to see these guys, pretty much ever.
Moss is a fast skater but little to no agility. Does fine physically and defensively, not to be mistaken for nan actual defensive forward though. He doesn't exactly muck it out either, I'd consider him a complementary top six player. Will do for pucks in corners and around the net just fine.

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Flames aren't going to compete next season anyway, so I don't see a lot of reason to push to keep Joker around, unless cap space is freed up somewhere.
A lot of people like to play paper GM, they sit in front of their computer looking at numbers instead of watching actual hockey, seems to be the biggest issue when using any of these hockey forums. I.E, they won't watch how a goal developed and was scored, but instead they'll look over who got the assist, who got a +/- on the play, etc.

Although I like Olli, I don't see much reason to keep him. You keep him, and next all we've done is shuffle the deck a little bit one more season, which will mean another season of mediocre play and ending up 11th-9th. But then again, maybe Cervenka, Sven, +'s end up finally getting the Flames over that last hurdle?

Also don't buy the "Look at what LA's doing now, and they were an 8th seed!"; if Flames made it in, Vancouver would have stomped them out in 5 games... LA was no ordinary 8th seed.

I'd like to see Calgary pick up Guillaume Latendresse, a lot. He has always been one of my favorite players, and it has always saddened me to see him injured so often. I think he'd fit perfectly on right wing with Sven and Backlund; would give a lot of size on that line... and considering the nose him and Baertchi have for the net, I think it could easily be a 150-120 point line.

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don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for peanuts or anything but if we had the chance to address another need for this team and acquire a player in a similar position to Backlund or a prospect with greater upside I would.
We have 2 huge holes that need fixing this offseason...Centre and defense. Finding RH shots is also paramount, but anywho...

Backlund's value is at an all time low, at least from my POV. His contract is up, so why don't we simply sign him to a 1 year (maybe 2 year) deal worth penauts and see if he can find some game.

It's not going to hurt him (his value) or the organization at all. With our team leaning toward becoming more skilled this should only help a player like Backlund. Let's see what he can do for a full season with skilled linemates. Getting a 10 game stint here and there is not good enough when you spend most of your time with guys like Kostoplous.

People need to keep their expectations in check for Jokinen, I really do not think he is coming back. Making what few centres we have even more valuable to us. This also insures Backlund is not getting buried on the depth chart, it'll be a sink or swim year for him IMO. Evaluate his play, bite the bullet if he sinks, and start the centre search over again.

For better or worse it seems like Feaster thinks that Cervenka is Jokinen's replacement. I don't have a lot of faith going into next season. Except for the fact that we will have the cap space to make some big moves should opportunity present itself.


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He can't pk unlike Comeau and needs to be on the power play to be effective I don't see the need for him at all.
He doesn't NEED to be on the PP. He simply excels on the PP and can bury pucks. He's a great contributor when he's going and a big tough guy in front of the net.

Like I said, if we can land bigger fish in FA then great. But I'm betting we are looking at something like the list below. Keep in mimd their are multiple options for players at each position, I'm simply inserting the name I like the most

1) bottom six FO specialist (Konopka)
2) 1 of the top 4 defenders in FA (Garrison, I think his game compliments Bouw well)
3) Defensive depth and grit (At least I'm hoping Feaster address' this, Carkner)

We still have lots of cap space after that, and I hope Feaster realizes that a guy like Comeau has more question marks than answers. Which is why I suggest creating some low risk competition by signing a guy like Latendresse. He has huge potential, but is also an injury risk. At this point, the flames need to swing for the fences without giving up assets. This is a good fit for the current teams direction.

Tanguay-Cammy-Iginla
Cervenka-Stajan-Glencross
Bartschi-Backlund-Latendresse
Bouma-Konopka-Comeau
Jackman (plug him into the 4th line RW spot when you need him)

If Nemisz can outplay Comeau or Latendresse then awesome. Let him play as both Comeau and Latendresse will be on 1 year contracts. Let those 3 compete for positions, take the best fit and run with it.

The more I look at our forwards I start to hope Feaster can find someone willing to give up a young top 9 centre for Cammy. It's probably wishful thinking, but getting a more established version of Backlund would be awesome. Especially if we find Cervenka can handle top 6 centre duties.

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WE HAVE 17+ MILLION IN CAP SPACE RIGHT NOW! why are we freeing up cap space again.
Yeah, 17+ million in cap space with approximately 8 positions to fill. You'd be surprised how quickly 17 million in cap space can disappear.

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A lot of people like to play paper GM, they sit in front of their computer looking at numbers instead of watching actual hockey, seems to be the biggest issue when using any of these hockey forums. I.E, they won't watch how a goal developed and was scored, but instead they'll look over who got the assist, who got a +/- on the play, etc.

Although I like Olli, I don't see much reason to keep him. You keep him, and next all we've done is shuffle the deck a little bit one more season, which will mean another season of mediocre play and ending up 11th-9th. But then again, maybe Cervenka, Sven, +'s end up finally getting the Flames over that last hurdle?

Also don't buy the "Look at what LA's doing now, and they were an 8th seed!"; if Flames made it in, Vancouver would have stomped them out in 5 games... LA was no ordinary 8th seed.

I'd like to see Calgary pick up Guillaume Latendresse, a lot. He has always been one of my favorite players, and it has always saddened me to see him injured so often. I think he'd fit perfectly on right wing with Sven and Backlund; would give a lot of size on that line... and considering the nose him and Baertchi have for the net, I think it could easily be a 150-120 point line.
Agreed. Joker has admittedly improved since he got to Calgary, but he still gets his butt kicked on a regular basis at even strength.

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Yeah, 17+ million in cap space with approximately 8 positions to fill. You'd be surprised how quickly 17 million in cap space can disappear.
We actually have $20 million and 7 positions to fill. 2 of those 7 positions are Backlund and Comeau who will sign for less than $2.5 million combined. Another of those positions is for Baertschi and his cap hit is below 1.5 million.

So that leaves $16 million for 4 spots.

Those spots being the blank spaces in this roster:

Tanguay - ______ - Iginla
Cammalleri - Stajan - Glencross
Baertschi - Backlund - Cervenka
Bouma - Jones - Jackman
______ - ______

Bouwmeester - Butler
Giordano - ______
Brodie - Babchuk
Smith

Kiprusoff
Karlsson

do you really think it will cost $16 million to fill those 4 holes? Even if we push other players down in the lineup this team should easily have $5 million in cap space heading into camp

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We actually have $20 million and 7 positions to fill. 2 of those 7 positions are Backlund and Comeau who will sign for less than $2.5 million combined. Another of those positions is for Baertschi and his cap hit is below 1.5 million.

So that leaves $16 million for 4 spots.

Those spots being the blank spaces in this roster:

Tanguay - ______ - Iginla
Cammalleri - Stajan - Glencross
Baertschi - Backlund - Cervenka
Bouma - Jones - Jackman
______ - ______

Bouwmeester - Butler
Giordano - ______
Brodie - Babchuk
Smith

Kiprusoff
Karlsson

do you really think it will cost $16 million to fill those 4 holes? Even if we push other players down in the lineup this team should easily have $5 million in cap space heading into camp
If Hartley can bring in a more up tempo, offensive style for this team, I'm curious to see what Babchuk does if he's on the roster to start the year.

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If Hartley can bring in a more up tempo, offensive style for this team, I'm curious to see what Babchuk does if he's on the roster to start the year.
thats WHy I slotted him in, I am not a fan of him in the slightest, but he is a big RH shot and his offensive instincts could work well under Hartley, or quick transitions back to our end will leave him exposed for what he is, horrid defensively.

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thats WHy I slotted him in, I am not a fan of him in the slightest, but he is a big RH shot and his offensive instincts could work well under Hartley, or quick transitions back to our end will leave him exposed for what he is, horrid defensively.
His pivot transition from backwards skating to forwards is absolutly horrible.

All we can do is hope.

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His pivot transition from backwards skating to forwards is absolutly horrible.

All we can do is hope.
hope he sees 4 minutes of PP time and less than 5 minutes of ES time?

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hope he sees 4 minutes of PP time and less than 5 minutes of ES time?
we'll be sure to supply him with scores of black licorice while he's warming the bench.

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we'll be sure to supply him with scores of black licorice while he's warming the bench.
but he might bite his tongue and have to go on IR

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We actually have $20 million and 7 positions to fill. 2 of those 7 positions are Backlund and Comeau who will sign for less than $2.5 million combined. Another of those positions is for Baertschi and his cap hit is below 1.5 million.

So that leaves $16 million for 4 spots.

Those spots being the blank spaces in this roster:

Tanguay - ______ - Iginla
Cammalleri - Stajan - Glencross
Baertschi - Backlund - Cervenka
Bouma - Jones - Jackman
______ - ______

Bouwmeester - Butler
Giordano - ______
Brodie - Babchuk
Smith

Kiprusoff
Karlsson

do you really think it will cost $16 million to fill those 4 holes? Even if we push other players down in the lineup this team should easily have $5 million in cap space heading into camp
this line is tooo soft

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this line is tooo soft
Based on what?

Surely you're not profiling based on ethnicity...


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Not sure if this was talked about or not, but how about giving an offer sheet to PA Parenteau? I know he isn't a big shooter, but I'd like to give him a contract maybe 3-5 million per 3 years? (though I heard he wants a long term)

The lines could look something like this:


Tanguay - Stajan - Iginla
Cammalleri - Cervenka - Glencross
Baertschi - Backlund - Parenteau
Bouma - Jones - Jackman
______ - ______

Bouwmeester - Butler
Giordano - ______
Brodie - Babchuk
Smith

We now have three lines that could score. I also know that some people won't be happy to see Stajan on the 1st line, but if he played like he did for the last part of the season while he was on the top 2 lines, I think we could see more production from him.


If Bartschi's salary is less than 1.5 million, we offer Backlund less than 1.5 million, and we give Parenteau 5 million, we still have 8 million in cap space so we could offer Garrison an offer sheet. (or a different defenseman)


EDIT: Parenteau is also a RH shooter, so this also helps us...


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