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06-09-2012, 07:10 PM
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Chiarelli is smahter than probably 80% of the posters here when it comes to the Bruins, managing the cap, and making moves- and he knows the team he probably will put out in October will have many of the same players was on an epic 21-2-1 run when a few problems arose that should not be there next year. This team during that run might just hold their own against the vaunted 8th seed Kings in a seven game series.
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Bruins have their one cup due to the greatest collective team effort (from the GM on down) I have ever seen and three chokes under Chiarelli so far.

He's a top 5 GM, no doubt, and to some beyond criticism. Will be interesting to see if he adds anyone of any substance ..... We can add the Conn Smythe winner to Reechi, Ryder and Kaberle as players not here anymore from that incredible cup team...
i think chia is overrated - credit where it's due, they won the cup. thomas should receive a ton of that credit though, b/c without him, they lose. he's in the top half of the league, but not top 5, IMO. i don't like his lack of high-end talent on the roster.

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Chiarelli is smahter than probably 80% of the posters here when it comes to the Bruins, managing the cap, and making moves- and he knows the team he probably will put out in October will have many of the same players was on an epic 21-2-1 run when a few problems arose that should not be there next year. This team during that run might just hold their own against the vaunted 8th seed Kings in a seven game series.
No h'wheigh dude. We need a stah playah to put the biskit in the bahskit or we aint goin no wheah.

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06-09-2012, 07:16 PM
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players I'd consider top 6 forwards based on 25 goals and/or 60 point expectation

Krejci- czech
Lucic- check (two years of 25 goals)
Horton- check
Marchand-check
Bergeron-check
Seguin-check

looks to me unless you think Horton is dead, this team has 6 top six forwards already.

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Even if the 4th line costs over 4 million bucks?
Well, considering that '4th line' has two guys that would be 3rd liners on many team, that are key PK guys, another that is the best hockey player/enforcer in the game and that Julien doesn't shy to put them on the ice against other teams top lines, I say that giving this line 4M is not a problem at all. More like a strenght.

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06-09-2012, 07:31 PM
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Oh great, please don't overpay Kelly just because he had a career year.

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06-09-2012, 07:36 PM
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i think chia is overrated - credit where it's due, they won the cup. thomas should receive a ton of that credit though, b/c without him, they lose. he's in the top half of the league, but not top 5, IMO. i don't like his lack of high-end talent on the roster.
He is top five btw
he has made very good trades and wins 90% of them
They did a montage on NESN he has built over half the cup team
Bergeron was one of only 2 NHL'ers on the Bruins when we got him

Horton Seguin Peverly
Kelly Campbel Paille
Ryder Rech Thorton
Savvy

Sides Chara
Boychuck McQuad
Ference Kaberle
Hnidy
Helped Develop Marchy Lucic Krejci

He flat out built this team

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He's coming off a career year in both goals and points. I don't see him replicating it, so I wouldn't pay him over what I said. Just don't see a guy who puts up 13-15 goals a year suddenly a consistent 20 goal scorer 8 years into his career. He is what he is. A good depth player, but not a guy who should be getting $3Mill or above.
Prepare to be disappointed because he will get 3 - 3.5.

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06-09-2012, 08:00 PM
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i think chia is overrated - credit where it's due, they won the cup. thomas should receive a ton of that credit though, b/c without him, they lose. he's in the top half of the league, but not top 5, IMO. i don't like his lack of high-end talent on the roster.
This seems pretty unfair to me. Thomas should receive a ton of that credit but the guy who valued him and goaltending enough to sign him to a big deal that many disagreed with shouldn't? Without Thomas they lose? That's likely true, but the same thing could be said for Chris Kelly and a lot of guys on that team. They played 3 game 7's (including 2 decided by a goal), so the margin of error was very small and you take out any number of guys and they can't do what they did.

You seem to be implying the same thing a lot of opposing fans have, that without Thomas, that wasn't really a Cup winning caliber team. That's not true though, people forget Thomas was "just" very good the 1st 3 rounds. The superhuman play didn't start until the Finals (or game 7 of the TB series, if you want to break it down on a game by game basis rather than series), and his superhuman play just made the losses closer and the wins into laughers. We scored 8 goals, 4 goals, 5 goals and 4 goals in our wins in the Finals. This wasn't a case of Thomas putting on a show to steal the game/series for us, we flat out dominated them in the 3 home wins and then the game 7 clincher.

I used to agree with the high end talent over the incredible depth approach myself, but how can you argue with his success? When Chia got here, the Bruins were picking 5th. Now they are a contender year in and year out. If turning a franchise around from crap to the top of the league doesn't make you a top 5 GM, I don't know what does.

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06-09-2012, 08:08 PM
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I suspect that Kelly will not be worth the $ we are about to give him.

People talk about Ottawa loving him --but they had no problems replacing him internally and are a much better club this year.

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I suspect that Kelly will not be worth the $ we are about to give him.

People talk about Ottawa loving him --but they had no problems replacing him internally and are a much better club this year.
I don't think removing Kelly from that team was what made them better this year. Had a lot to do with Spezza, Karlsson and mostly Anderson.

Plus not having Clouston as the coach can only help

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I suspect that Kelly will not be worth the $ we are about to give him.

People talk about Ottawa loving him --but they had no problems replacing him internally and are a much better club this year.
Just like Ference, right?

Kelly was a key component to the Stanley Cup win. I guess people forget easily.

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i think chia is overrated - credit where it's due, they won the cup. thomas should receive a ton of that credit though, b/c without him, they lose. he's in the top half of the league, but not top 5, IMO. i don't like his lack of high-end talent on the roster.
And who believed in thomas and gave him a 5 year contract when everyone was doubting? I'll give a hint, it wasnt jesus.

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players I'd consider top 6 forwards based on 25 goals and/or 60 point expectation

Krejci- czech
Lucic- check (two years of 25 goals)
Horton- check
Marchand-check
Bergeron-check
Seguin-check

looks to me unless you think Horton is dead, this team has 6 top six forwards already.
Thats what i've been saying forever. This teams top 6 is set for another year at least.
What we need is some kids to show top6 potencial (hi knight, hi spooner) and vets to help that top6.

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Just like Ference, right?

Kelly was a key component to the Stanley Cup win. I guess people forget easily.
Or maybe they just aren't going to hang their hat on that forever?

Ryder-Recchi-Thomas were pretty big contributors as well and they are gone.

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06-09-2012, 08:37 PM
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Chia did sign TT to a nice deal. And promptly tried to move him one year in...

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And who believed in thomas and gave him a 5 year contract when everyone was doubting? I'll give a hint, it wasnt jesus.



Thats what i've been saying forever. This teams top 6 is set for another year at least.
What we need is some kids to show top6 potencial (hi knight, hi spooner) and vets to help that top6.
So you are ready to bet the farm on Nasty Nate again?

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Chia did sign TT to a nice deal. And promptly tried to move him one year in...
Do you know what deal was he looking for? Can you say that we wouldnt have won a cup if he made said deal?
Point is, he signed him, tt wasnt moved and we won a cup with a team Chia built. Does he have his faults? for sure but he built a winning team, thomas included.

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So you are ready to bet the farm on Nasty Nate again?
Me? not really. But i dont have to make those bets either, thankfully
Anyway, for now i want to believe they know whats horton condtion better than most here and i want to believe that if he is not good to go they will bring someone.

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Do you know what deal was he looking for? Can you say that we wouldnt have won a cup if he made said deal?
Point is, he signed him, tt wasnt moved and we won a cup with a team Chia built. Does he have his faults? for sure but he built a winning team, thomas included.



Me? not really. But i dont have to make those bets either, thankfully
Anyway, for now i want to believe they know whats horton condtion better than most here and i want to believe that if he is not good to go they will bring someone.
Jeff Carter. The 2011 version of Tuukka Rask and Jeff Carter = no cup :-)

Bruins top 6 , if healthy is one of the best teams in the league IMO

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Jeff Carter. The 2011 version of Tuukka Rask and Jeff Carter = no cup :-)

Bruins top 6 , if healthy is one of the best teams in the league IMO
THE Jeff Carter? The same Carter that is just one game away of winning a cup?! No way, i cant believe he tried to do that

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06-09-2012, 09:15 PM
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Jeff Carter. The 2011 version of Tuukka Rask and Jeff Carter = no cup :-)

Bruins top 6 , if healthy is one of the best teams in the league IMO
Probly get to the cup in 2010

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Oh great, please don't overpay Kelly just because he had a career year.
Kelly had one point less in '06 -07.

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Kelly had one point less in '06 -07.
I'm just saying I hope Chia doesn't give him anything more than 3.0 million.

Chris Kelly certainly cooled off as the season winded down, and IMO he did not "earn" anything over 3.0 million.

His valuable leadership can be replaced by Ference and Seidenberg, just saying.

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Great news. Not surprised. Chia signs his peeps.

I love all the capologists around here...Some guy signs out in COL and its, "that's it, say goodbye to Kelly and Campbell." It's funny.

People are so sure about numbers, and are regularly shocked when the real world results come in.

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Great news. Not surprised. Chia signs his peeps.

I love all the capologists around here...Some guy signs out in COL and its, "that's it, say goodbye to Kelly and Campbell." It's funny.

People are so sure about numbers, and are regularly shocked when the real world results come in.
That's HF for ya, everybody is an expert GM and thinks their opinion is so much more valuable than everyone else.

Damn capologists and all of their possibilities of bringing in Nash and Iginla!

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