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06-11-2012, 08:05 PM
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By getting Gio it takes alot of preasure off SBisa Fowler and Vatanen to be top 4 guys.
Why is that a need?

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06-11-2012, 08:07 PM
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Why is that a need?
Because relying on a 21 22 and 22 year old to be steady top 4 defenders as early as 2 seasons from now is unrealistic.

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Because relying on a 21 22 and 22 year old to be steady top 4 defenders as early as 2 seasons from now is unrealistic.
That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think? Just because Lydman and Lubo's contracts are up next year, doesn't mean that their usefulness will be. Considering that two of the young players are getting pretty close to being steady, I don't see the big deal.

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That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think? Just because Lydman and Lubo's contracts are up next year, doesn't mean that their usefulness will be. Considering that two of the young players are getting pretty close to being steady, I don't see the big deal.
I just dont want to be that guy that assumes the best with every UFA and prospect. I'm assuming we will not be able to sign a top 4 guy and I assume Lydman and Lubo are going to regress.

Playign at their best, the defense we have is amazing, but Sbisa and Fowler are just too inconsistent. Adding another 22 year old to the top 4 makes it too inconsistant.

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Sbisa and Fowler are already in the top 4. The top 4 on defense going in to next year is set with Beauch-Folwer and Vis-Sbisa. Sure, it isn't a great top 4, but its set.

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The title should be: 'Value of: a #1b center to Anaheim?'

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One 'bad' (by his standards) year and Visnovsky is a 3rd pairing defenseman... Despite being more productive offensively than any other defenseman on the team and the only defenseman to be a plus player other than Brookbank.

The number of post shots from his stick last year was just crazy. Next year half of those could go in, and if our offensive stars can bounce back (as well as the PP) Lubo is gonna get 45-55 points next season (or that pace barring injuries).

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NYR would offer 1(28), F- Brandon Dubinski and D- Michael Del Zotto to Anaheim for 1(6). Please feel free to make a counter offer. Also NYR would offer the same package for Bobby Ryan.

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One 'bad' (by his standards) year and Visnovsky is a 3rd pairing defenseman... Despite being more productive offensively than any other defenseman on the team and the only defenseman to be a plus player other than Brookbank.

The number of post shots from his stick last year was just crazy. Next year half of those could go in, and if our offensive stars can bounce back (as well as the PP) Lubo is gonna get 45-55 points next season (or that pace barring injuries).
I'm not bashing Vis when I put him there. It is more just a negative outlook on things and assuming he plays like last year or worse.

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The Lokomotiv incident hit Lubo pretty hard.

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The Lokomotiv incident hit Lubo pretty hard.
Ya he apparently is thinking of retirement.

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Gionta, Tinordi, #50 overall?

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Last 10 #6 picks

Mika Zibanejad
Brett Connolly
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Nikita Filatov
Sam Gagner
Derick Brassard
Gilbert Brule
Al Montoya
Milan Michalek
Scottie Upshall
Mikko Koivu

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Gionta, Tinordi, #50 overall?
Gionta is negative value to us. Too overpayed.

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Mika Zibanejad
Brett Connolly
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Nikita Filatov
Sam Gagner
Derick Brassard
Gilbert Brule
Al Montoya
Milan Michalek
Scottie Upshall
Mikko Koivu
I think who did the picking in those years is more important than a borderline superstitious view of the pick number. For instance, look into the story of why Anze Kopitar's name isn't there but Brule's is.

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What would it take for the Leafs, without moving their 5th overall?

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NYR would offer 1(28), F- Brandon Dubinski and D- Michael Del Zotto to Anaheim for 1(6). Please feel free to make a counter offer. Also NYR would offer the same package for Bobby Ryan.
We don't need Dubinsky and MDZ, especially for Ryan...Anisimov and Hagelin sounds more interesting for me...

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What would it take for the Leafs, without moving their 5th overall?
You have nothing.

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NYR would offer 1(28), F- Brandon Dubinski and D- Michael Del Zotto to Anaheim for 1(6). Please feel free to make a counter offer. Also NYR would offer the same package for Bobby Ryan.
Believe me, we know you'd offer the same package for Bobby.

As for the proposal, I think I'd rather Anisimov than Dubinsky. Dubinsky's salary is hard for us to justify. I also doubt that the Rangers would make that big of a trade, especially for a draft pick.

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You have nothing.
Always nice to get the objective opinion of an Oilers fan

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Always nice to get the objective opinion of an Oilers fan
While I'd be a little more diplomatic in my response, he's not wrong. You guys need centers, and so do we. The rest of our needs don't require moving the 6th overall.

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NYR would offer 1(28), F- Brandon Dubinski and D- Michael Del Zotto to Anaheim for 1(6). Please feel free to make a counter offer. Also NYR would offer the same package for Bobby Ryan.
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We don't need Dubinsky and MDZ, especially for Ryan...Anisimov and Hagelin sounds more interesting for me...
We're competing right now. Why would the Rangers trade two very good young roster players to take a kid who likely won't contribute for 2 years?

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I think who did the picking in those years is more important than a borderline superstitious view of the pick number. For instance, look into the story of why Anze Kopitar's name isn't there but Brule's is.
show me a team that doesnt make mistakes and i'll buy your argument. hindsight is so 100%... oh the guy just made a mistake who they picked... right

the truth is sometimes kids derail in their development... and it can be based on how they grow... whether they get off ice bad habits... their social life... their training... their confidence...

picking the right set of raw talent is fairly easy to do even at 18... the kids drafted top of the draft all have the raw talent to potentially become very good players... but then theres alot of factors that come into play just how the kid improves from there

a good team with a good way of handling its kids will usually have better success at turning picks into pros... but just because a team manages to draft at number 6 doesnt mean they will end up with the 6th best pro out of the draft.

statistically, by the time you get to pick number 6 you are at around 50/50 success rate of ending up with a difference maker in your lineup. thats simply the truth... and its the same for pick number 7 and pick number 8 and pick number 9...

half the guys you pick in these positions are going to be rather average at best when they get to the NHL

but at least at this pick level almost everyone makes it to at least being average nhlers... and by the time you get out of the top 20 you can no longer say that even half the guys become average nhlers...

so a top 6 pick does have value... you just dont throw 3 proven nhl assets at it to get it... thats insane

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show me a team that doesnt make mistakes and i'll buy your argument. hindsight is so 100%... oh the guy just made a mistake who they picked... right

the truth is sometimes kids derail in their development... and it can be based on how they grow... whether they get off ice bad habits... their social life... their training... their confidence...

picking the right set of raw talent is fairly easy to do even at 18... the kids drafted top of the draft all have the raw talent to potentially become very good players... but then theres alot of factors that come into play just how the kid improves from there

a good team with a good way of handling its kids will usually have better success at turning picks into pros... but just because a team manages to draft at number 6 doesnt mean they will end up with the 6th best pro out of the draft.

statistically, by the time you get to pick number 6 you are at around 50/50 success rate of ending up with a difference maker in your lineup. thats simply the truth... and its the same for pick number 7 and pick number 8 and pick number 9...

half the guys you pick in these positions are going to be rather average at best when they get to the NHL

but at least at this pick level almost everyone makes it to at least being average nhlers... and by the time you get out of the top 20 you can no longer say that even half the guys become average nhlers...

so a top 6 pick does have value... you just dont throw 3 proven nhl assets at it to get it... thats insane
Some teams make more mistakes than others.

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Murray on the upcoming draft: "Right now, centers are at a premium as much as defensemen are. If we stay at the sixth pick, we’ll get a defenseman or a centerman, one of the two, which is very good because you build your team from those guys. But if you want to make changes to your hockey team, this is the point in time you do it. The next couple of weeks could be interesting."

Sounds like the 6th overall pick is in play.

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