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Gardiner - what do you see him becoming at best?

View Poll Results: Which of the following do u see Gardiner realistically becoming?
Very good 2nd pairing D-man 53 23.45%
Legit #1 D-man 53 23.45%
top-pairing D-man 113 50.00%
others. 7 3.10%
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06-10-2012, 09:38 AM
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A number one, lets hope so this time.

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06-10-2012, 09:40 AM
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a poor man's campbell with even less grit and interest in defensive play.

2nd pairing on a bad team

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06-10-2012, 09:44 AM
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Kaberle before his decline, is that a fairly accurate comparison?

Both are exceptionally smooth skaters.
Good pucking moving skills.
High hockey IQ.
Not overly physical.
Not the best defensively.

He could maybe become a #1, but he'd really have to round out the defensive side of his game, which is impossible to predict at this point. So yea, Id say he's a projected # 2-3 guy / PP specialist with a chance to be something more.

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06-10-2012, 09:50 AM
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Kaberle before his decline, is that a fairly accurate comparison?

Both are exceptionally smooth skaters.
Good pucking moving skills.
High hockey IQ.
Not overly physical.
Not the best defensively.

He could maybe become a #1, but he'd really have to round out the defensive side of his game, which is impossible to predict at this point. So yea, Id say he's a projected # 2-3 guy / PP specialist with a chance to be something more.
But Gardiner actually shoots the puck.

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06-10-2012, 09:52 AM
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At best? A number one dman, capable of putting up 50+ points every year

A safe bet? A second pairing dman, typically good for 40 points, and playing OK defense (AKA Liles)

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06-10-2012, 09:54 AM
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At best? A number one dman, capable of putting up 50+ points every year

A safe bet? A second pairing dman, typically good for 40 points, and playing OK defense (AKA Liles)
I think that's the general hope for him. Being a solid #2, #3 with the possibility of being a #1 which would be great but he needs to work on some things first.

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06-10-2012, 09:55 AM
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Simple question, what do u see Gardiner turning into as he hits his prime.
Top pairing -- 50 points. He is only going to get more PP time and get better. He got better as the season wore on and started to shoot more. Great skater and very heads up player.

Only hope Schultz joins him in a few weeks.

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06-10-2012, 11:35 AM
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Part of a package for a top forward
Lets hope not, and Burke can resist trading him away for instant help in another area.

He looks very promising and could become our new Tomas Kaberle and future PP QB and team leading dman point producer.

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06-10-2012, 12:00 PM
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Gardiner was our best defensemen last year. One of the best skaters I've seen in the Leafs organization. Anyone got a video of him going end to end vs Buffalo?


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06-10-2012, 12:17 PM
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Gardiner was our best defensemen last year. One of the best skaters I've seen come out of the Ducks organization. Anyone got a video of him going end to end vs Buffalo?

Fixed that for ya...

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Fixed that for ya...
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Good catch
Sorry about being nit-picketty...but yeah I love the kid, I think he has the tools to be a #1, the only things that could hold him back are his defensive play and a boost in physicality, both things that can be taught, especially with a high-iq player like Gardiner. He improved before our eyes all season long, I see no reason for him to stop improving.

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06-10-2012, 12:54 PM
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I dont see the Kaberle comparison at all. Kabby was always suspect in his own zone, especially bad when pressured. Kaberle also didnt have the same speed, but heavily relied on his amazing passing skills and offensive IQ.

Gardiner already exceeds Kabby defensively, even at 21 and the offense might catch up to Kaberle's in the next few seasons. Gardiner might turn into an allstar/ norris winner but he should be a damn good player for the leafs in the years to come

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06-10-2012, 01:07 PM
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A great #2 D-man.

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Kaberle before his decline, is that a fairly accurate comparison?

Both are exceptionally smooth skaters.
Good pucking moving skills.
High hockey IQ.
Not overly physical.
Not the best defensively.

He could maybe become a #1, but he'd really have to round out the defensive side of his game, which is impossible to predict at this point. So yea, Id say he's a projected # 2-3 guy / PP specialist with a chance to be something more.
Gardner may have taken more shots last season alone then Kaberle did as a leaf. Gardener is much more aggresive

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But Gardiner actually shoots the puck.
Gardiner: 75 games, 79 shots
Kaberle: 72 games, 87 shots

This was also Kaberle's lowest shot totals since 2002 when he shot 85 in 69 games. It would be great if Gardiner became as good as Kaberle.

I see Gardiner being a top pairing defensemen, probably a #2. For me, a #1 is an elite defensemen with Norris candidate potential. I don't see Gardiner being that good.

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A top 30 dman in the league, playing 23-24 mins scoring 50 pts, great offense and okay defense.

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Gardner may have taken more shots last season alone then Kaberle did as a leaf. Gardener is much more aggresive
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Gardiner: 75 games, 79 shots
Kaberle: 72 games, 87 shots

This was also Kaberle's lowest shot totals since 2002 when he shot 85 in 69 games. It would be great if Gardiner became as good as Kaberle.

I see Gardiner being a top pairing defensemen, probably a #2. For me, a #1 is an elite defensemen with Norris candidate potential. I don't see Gardiner being that good.
Gotta love it when people make statements as if they're fact, only to be proven completely and utterly wrong.

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Gardiner: 75 games, 79 shots
Kaberle: 72 games, 87 shots

This was also Kaberle's lowest shot totals since 2002 when he shot 85 in 69 games. It would be great if Gardiner became as good as Kaberle.

I see Gardiner being a top pairing defensemen, probably a #2. For me, a #1 is an elite defensemen with Norris candidate potential. I don't see Gardiner being that good.
It's a running joke that Kaberle doesn't shoot. Guess you didn't quite get it. Hard to convey emotion over the Internet but I thought the smiley might do that for me. Guess not.

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Gardner may have taken more shots last season alone then Kaberle did as a leaf. Gardener is much more aggresive
Who is Gardner? Is he any good?

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Has the tools to be a #1, should play at a #3 calibre next season if he didn't already.

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It's a running joke that Kaberle doesn't shoot. Guess you didn't quite get it. Hard to convey emotion over the Internet but I thought the smiley might do that for me. Guess not.
Nope, I got your joke but there are people that legitimately believe Kaberle doesn't shoot at all and bet that Gardiner shot more without looking at the numbers.

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40-50 point D-man with a couple of 60+ thrown in there during his career.

As long as he stays healthy, he has everything needed to be a legit top pairing guy on most teams.

As someone said, "his skill is glaring".

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