I don't see Nash as a target for this team anymore. We need a young piece who can grow with the team. Like Torts said, we're not quite there yet. This isn't the time to "go for it" at all costs.
Assume you add 20 goals for Kreider, and another 20-25 goal scorer to play on a line with Kreider and Stepan. Account for added improvement up and down the lineup, say another 10 goals total, and that's 50 more goals. Those numbers for this season would have given us the 2nd highest goals-per-game average of any team in the NHL One goal behind the Penguins who led the league with 3.33 GF/G.
Is it theoretical? Of course, but to say this team is in desperate need of a game breaker is a little over the top, IMO.
Point taken, but your theory would have to include subtracting out the goals scored by whomever they are replacing in the regular season line-up...which probably isn't much. Maybe 15 goals combined.
Radulov's KHL rights were traded. That is out of the players hands and has nothing to do with him making a decision or not, so I don't see how he's off the table now.
If he wants to play in the NHL for another season or two, he can.
Why does it have t be someone on that level!? People saying the Rangers need to get a Rick Nash/Zach Parise are mistaken. Why pay ~8 million/season for 1 guy? Why not get a couple of players who can increase depth and provide value not only in the scoring department but elsewhere as well for less then that?
Why does it have t be someone on that level!? People saying the Rangers need to get a Rick Nash/Zach Parise are mistaken. Why pay ~8 million/season for 1 guy? Why not get a couple of players who can increase depth and provide value not only in the scoring department but elsewhere as well for less then that?
Having 6 healthy defensemen that fall within the grace of their coach and play more than 3 minutes a game would be a start...
So we just lost two prime targets in a 30 minute span. That gives leverage right back to Columbus. If we miss out on Nash I just don't see how we are going to improve on wings let alone replace gaborik.
Knee-jerk reactions like this are why teams put themselves in bad situations. Montreal did it with Gomez when they missed out on trading for VL. "Quick-fixes" rarely work.
Their offense will improve as the players develop. This is a young team. Don't blow it up for (1) guy. Look for value trades that will help.
Never expected Parise to part ways with NJD, I think it still pisses him off that he fell that far in the 2003 draft and the Devs gave him a shot. Loyalty.
I don't see Nash as a target for this team anymore. We need a young piece who can grow with the team. Like Torts said, we're not quite there yet. This isn't the time to "go for it" at all costs.
Assume you add 20 goals for Kreider, and another 20-25 goal scorer to play on a line with Kreider and Stepan. Account for added improvement up and down the lineup, say another 10 goals total, and that's 50 more goals. Those numbers for this season would have given us the 2nd highest goals-per-game average of any team in the NHL One goal behind the Penguins who led the league with 3.33 GF/G.
Is it theoretical? Of course, but to say this team is in desperate need of a game breaker is a little over the top, IMO.
This is the kind of thinking that had people penciling in Boyle for 20 and Dubi for 30 last season. We all know how that worked out.
This team is excellent defensively (until they're exhausted after multiple game 7s). They need to sure up the last 2 spots yes, but a great defensive team, with a great goaltender. They need scoring. I hope Kreider will be a huge part, but they need more from elsewhere and I don't think it's coming from this roster.
Knee-jerk reactions like this are why teams put themselves in bad situations. Montreal did it with Gomez when they missed out on trading for VL. "Quick-fixes" rarely work.
Their offense will improve as the players develop. This is a young team. Don't blow it up for (1) guy. Look for value trades that will help.
What do you suggest they do? This team clearly needs another winger. I don't want to see the likes of Whitney an doan on rentals. Just curious to the anti Nash people would like to do knowing Parise is out of the picture and radulov probably headed to the khl
Why does it have t be someone on that level!? People saying the Rangers need to get a Rick Nash/Zach Parise are mistaken. Why pay ~8 million/season for 1 guy? Why not get a couple of players who can increase depth and provide value not only in the scoring department but elsewhere as well for less then that?
I'm in total agreement. Add a 25 goal guy and a legit bottom 6 guy (15 goals) who can win faceoffs and this team is just about there...assuming Gaborik returns by the end of the year. And again, when I say 25 goal guy I don't mean someone like Brandon Dubinsky who has actually never scored 25. I'm talking about a bona fide 25 goal scorer who is good for 25 every year and could hit 30+. He'll cost millions less than a Nash/Parise.
Knee-jerk reactions like this are why teams put themselves in bad situations. Montreal did it with Gomez when they missed out on trading for VL. "Quick-fixes" rarely work.
Their offense will improve as the players develop. This is a young team. Don't blow it up for (1) guy. Look for value trades that will help.
Young team yes but the key guys are older, Lundqvist, Richards, Gaborik
Now a lot of the pipedream posts can end. No Parise and no Radulov. Nash is not happening unless the high demands of Columbus drop significantly. Time to look at some tweener 2nd/3rd liners and 4th/5th defense to fill out the rest of the roster.
Schultz is the biggest guy this team will possibly sign. That's a good thing. Bringing back an old term from a couple offseasons ago: Stay the Course.
This team needs to grow and become deeper. Getting Nash doesn't do that. Getting two 2nd/3rd liners needs to be high on the list of things to do. Not many out in free agency, maybe we can do something at the draft with a player a team is ready to move on from.
Now a lot of the pipedream posts can end. No Parise and no Radulov. Nash is not happening unless the high demands of Columbus drop significantly. Time to look at some tweener 2nd/3rd liners and 4th/5th defense to fill out the rest of the roster.
Schultz is the biggest guy this team will possibly sign. That's a good thing. Bringing back an old term from a couple offseasons ago: Stay the Course.
This team needs to grow and become deeper. Getting Nash doesn't do that. Getting two 2nd/3rd liners needs to be high on the list of things to do. Not many out in free agency, maybe we can do something at the draft with a player a team is ready to move on from.
The roster is already littered with tweeners. You want more?
Parise apparently says he won't sign with the Rangers.
I didn't know Parise was actually stupid, wow. I thought he had some brains but instead he eliminates a possible high paying team out of the contract talks.
I'm not mad that he doesn't want to play here, but why say it? Silly man.
pipe dream for Parise is over fellas. Glad he said this now if true. Rangers can go about their biz
Buzz: Zach Parise Says HE WONT Come To The Rangers
by Adam Rotter on June 13th, 2012 at 12:34 pm According to Tom Gulitti, Zach Parise said today that He will not sign with the Rangers.
Now a lot of the pipedream posts can end. No Parise and no Radulov. Nash is not happening unless the high demands of Columbus drop significantly. Time to look at some tweener 2nd/3rd liners and 4th/5th defense to fill out the rest of the roster.
Schultz is the biggest guy this team will possibly sign. That's a good thing. Bringing back an old term from a couple offseasons ago: Stay the Course.
This team needs to grow and become deeper. Getting Nash doesn't do that. Getting two 2nd/3rd liners needs to be high on the list of things to do. Not many out in free agency, maybe we can do something at the draft with a player a team is ready to move on from.
This is like the fifth time there has been some minor news update about Radulov and the fifth time a bunch of people on here claim, "the Radulov ship has sailed," "Radulov to KHL!"
The player didn't sign anything or do anything.
A team bought his rights from another in the KHL.
This doesn't mean anything, yet.
First of all, Radulov can still play in the NHL if he does want to. The Preds will likely trade his rights before the draft and if it's to a team he wants to play for, he'll probably get a deal signed to play there.
If he didn't have interest in the NHL, he or his agent would've likely announced it by now. His agent claims he still wants to play in the NHL, but the issue is he's no longer wanted by Nashville. So they are trying to find the right team and right deal to trade his rights for. I still think he will be Ranger's property in the next few days.
^^^ They came within two games of going to the Cup finals with a team full of young players who should continue to improve. There's no reason to blow it all up in a panic, trying to cram a bunch of high priced one way offensive forwards onto the team in an attempt to win the cup next year
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Originally Posted by Bluenote13
Never expected Parise to part ways with NJD, I think it still pisses him off that he fell that far in the 2003 draft and the Devs gave him a shot. Loyalty.
He hasn't re-signed with them. If he was so loyal to the Devils then he would have signed a longer term deal last year, or not said thing about testing FA, etc. I don't have a problem with him not joining the Rangers and wouldn't be surprised if he stays with the Devils, but claiming that he's loyal to them isn't really accurate since if he was he probably would have worked something about before now instead of hitting the FA market and driving up his price
Young team yes but the key guys are older, Lundqvist, Richards, Gaborik
Two 30 year olds and a 32 year old, THAT'S not that old. We don't have anyone over 35 AND those are the only 3 key players on this team over 30. This team can use a couple more vets on the lower lines to aid these younger players. They don't have to be 35+ either. Guys like Poni, Stempniak, Staios, Hannan, Sarich etc are veterans of over 500 NHL games. They are also the type of players the Rangers need: Veterans that can be trusted in bigger situations. Some guys on the Rangers haven't even played 200 games yet. They need some more experience on the lower lines to produce. Feds can come back on the 4th line, nothing higher unless injury.
Everyone keeps saying his stay the course. You can only stay the course so long before you miss out on lindqvist and gaboriks primes
That's true, but that window has just opened. If we stay the course for a few more months or another season that isn't too long. Knee jerk reactions and moves for the sake of moves rarely pan out. Sure, we need more offense...but you don't just sign the first guy who is available...and you don't trade ridiculous packages for overpriced players with long term contracts. So yeah, stay the course...the team is heading in the right direction.
Now a lot of the pipedream posts can end. No Parise and no Radulov. Nash is not happening unless the high demands of Columbus drop significantly. Time to look at some tweener 2nd/3rd liners and 4th/5th defense to fill out the rest of the roster.
Schultz is the biggest guy this team will possibly sign. That's a good thing. Bringing back an old term from a couple offseasons ago: Stay the Course.
This team needs to grow and become deeper. Getting Nash doesn't do that. Getting two 2nd/3rd liners needs to be high on the list of things to do. Not many out in free agency, maybe we can do something at the draft with a player a team is ready to move on from.
Getting more 2nd/3rd liners needs to be a top priority?
I can't believe you just said that.
Are you joking?
That's the last thing we need. Our entire team is 2nd/3rd line tweeners. We need top 6 talent that can create quality scoring chances.
Even more importantly, you don't sign 2nd/3rd line players as free agents unless you HAVE to. Players signed as free agents are always overpaid, even if it's slightly. We have enough slightly overpaid players who were asked to do more than their roles should be last year. We have players in the system who can come up and fill 3rd line spots. We absolutely should stay away from the 2nd/3rd line names out there in free agency. That's how you build mediocrity.
What do you suggest they do? This team clearly needs another winger. I don't want to see the likes of Whitney an doan on rentals. Just curious to the anti Nash people would like to do knowing Parise is out of the picture and radulov probably headed to the khl
The Anti-Nash crowd wouldn't sign him as a free-agent at his current contract, let alone give up valuable assets for him. Regardless of what happens with Parise/Radulov.
Stay the course. That's what got us out of purgatory. That's what escalated this team from being a 7-8 seed to #1 on the conference.
You're either too young to remember the dark days, or too thick-headed and fixated on shiny objects which really aren't even that shiny to begin with.
The progression of our young core is going to amount to a better team. Not, acquiring semi-star talent.
Yea I would of thought he would help. Alot here didnt want him.
now who's the best scoring option folks? Sans Parise of course
do they even think about Semin for goals? Torts will kill him,lol
Buzz: CSKA (KHL) Acquires Alex Radulov’s Rights
posted on June 13th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Dmitry Chesnokov
@dchesnokov CSKA has acquired #KHL rights to Radulov from Salavat Yulaev.
I mean i wouldnt mind to have Semin on the team, and I believe the chemistry of the team and Torts will change him to be less of a selfish and lazy player.
But if its a big deal, I would stay far away from him....not really worth it
