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09-30-2011, 10:46 AM
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Are we missing the presence of Hamrlik...

The man was eating up 22+ minutes every game and even though he was at that age, he never got seriously injured (from what I remember) and always stepped up his game when Markov went down.

Now with the D-corps being a bit unknown due to Markov's unknown return date, this is what our opening night would probably look like (IMO)

Gill-Subban
Gorges-Campoli
Yemelin/Weber/Spacek (any 2 of the 3, I have no clue, but I like Weber a lot between those 3)

If Hamrlik would still be here, it would probably look like this, in no particulaer order (Campoli wouldn't have been signed IMO).
Subban-Weber/Yemelin
Hamrlik-Spacek/Yemelin
Gill-Gorges

I might have the sides wrong too
For whatever reason, I'm not sure of the some.

What do you think?

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09-30-2011, 10:51 AM
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Yes we are.

I'd rather have him than Yemelin and Gill combined.

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09-30-2011, 10:55 AM
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We're missing Hamrlik because we're missing Markov.

The defense is one guy away from being good and two away from being great, IMO. The first guy is seeing a doctor today, so cross your fingers.

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No, it was time to cut the cord. His foot speed left alot be desired last year.

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how can we just assume this?..At Hammer's age who knows if he could handle the workload of 22+ mins a game this yr. Personally I think he looked kinda burnt out 3/4 through the season. How about we just wait and see how things pan out here guys. The season hasn't even started yet, chill.

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09-30-2011, 10:58 AM
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I was disappointed we did not sign Hammer back. With a healthy Markov, a more mature Subban, he may have had less ice time and would have been effective longer. But two years was probably a stretch.

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I loved the Hammer, but he was definitely getting slower. I think it was the right time to make the switch.

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I was just mentioning the fact that the guy was always good for us, and he could have helped us in the situation we are in right now, which is that Markov is down. I still believe that he could carry the load, but as a 5-6 D, even maybe 3-4 D until Markov came back.

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The man was eating up 22+ minutes every game and even though he was at that age, he never got seriously injured (from what I remember) and always stepped up his game when Markov went down.

Now with the D-corps being a bit unknown due to Markov's unknown return date, this is what our opening night would probably look like (IMO)

Gill-Subban
Gorges-Campoli
Yemelin/Weber/Spacek (any 2 of the 3, I have no clue, but I like Weber a lot between those 3)

If Hamrlik would still be here, it would probably look like this, in no particulaer order (Campoli wouldn't have been signed IMO).
Subban-Weber/Yemelin
Hamrlik-Spacek/Yemelin
Gill-Gorges

I might have the sides wrong too
For whatever reason, I'm not sure of the some.

What do you think?
I think that's a question that will take until miseason to answer.

1-because his departue allows for others to play bigger roles

2-because those others should be judged after they have had a chance to play regular games and get comfortable

-will Spacek play like the 09-10 or the 10-11 version of himself?

-will Gorges come back 100% from his injury?

-will Markov come back 100% from his injury and stay healthy?

-Will Yemelin play at a top 6 or top 4 level this year?

-how much can Weber contribute?

-how much can Diaz contribute this year?

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No, it was time to cut the cord. His foot speed left alot be desired last year.
Yet he had his best statistical season in his 4 years here last year with 34 points and +6 rating.


The guy played huge minutes for us, totaled 119 points in 312 games, missed a grand total of 16 games in 4 years.

He was a pillar defensively AND offensively, stabilized the D and was used in pretty much any game situation. He played over 20 minutes, up to 25+ on many nights and also contributed a physical presence.

He is definitely missed and that's an understatement.


Having said that, would I have signed him for 2 years? Probably not. 1 year definitely.

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Yes. SATSQ.

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I was just mentioning the fact that the guy was always good for us, and he could have helped us in the situation we are in right now, which is that Markov is down. I still believe that he could carry the load, but as a 5-6 D, even maybe 3-4 D until Markov came back.
I remember when everyone was calling for his head with his bad foot speed. Now he's a hall of famer?

I love Hammer but it was the right thing to do. You know we have Georges to eat up those mins now. And Campoli who looked great last night. Guys we have lots of Dmen who can step it up and fill the role. I know Hammer has a great hockey IQ, but we need someone else now and maybe they can develop more and be even better than Hammer

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I think that's a question that will take until miseason to answer.

1-because his departue allows for others to play bigger roles

2-because those others should be judged after they have had a chance to play regular games and get comfortable

-will Spacek play like the 09-10 or the 10-11 version of himself?

-will Gorges come back 100% from his injury?

-will Markov come back 100% from his injury and stay healthy?

-Will Yemelin play at a top 6 or top 4 level this year?

-how much can Weber contribute?

-how much can Diaz contribute this year?
What was the diffrence between the Spacek of 09-10 and the spacek of 10-11? he sucked in both lol.

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09-30-2011, 11:08 AM
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No, it was time to cut the cord. His foot speed left alot be desired last year.
Are you talking about Gill ?

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we will see in the season. I don't think we seen most of the game plan yet. i think were missing someone called patience/

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What was the diffrence between the Spacek of 09-10 and the spacek of 10-11? he sucked in both lol.
In 09-10 he sucked but had his moments
In 10-11 he sucked.

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we will see in the season. I don't think we seen most of the game plan yet. i think were missing someone called patience/
I think we missing something called "talent" and "grittiness"

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09-30-2011, 11:15 AM
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There hasn't been a regular season game so how can anyone answer this?

Preseason is not about wins and losses. It's about conditioning and getting back into game shape/form. Give the team a chance to get back together before writing off the season.

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Spacek has been fine with us since day one. When he's not being overworked, he's definitely a solid defenseman.

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The people who are saying "We miss Hamrlik" are the same who would throw him under the buss after giving up one goal.

Honestly.. be patience for crying out loud.

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Yes, he's a much better 5 on 5 defender than Gill and Yemelin cannot be expected to immediately replaced an experienced top 4 d-man no matter how good he is.

But it was probably the right move to let him go. He will be missed but the Habs should be fine without him, as both Markov and Yemelin should improve as the season goes on.

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PG went out on a limb this year.

He chose not to try to retain the players who played and played consistently last year (Hamrlik, Wisniewski). If things don't turn out he will be culpable. If we don't make the play-offs he should be fired or resign (not that I expect that to happen). It's just way to easy to be critical of the guy considering his choices.

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No. We're missing a meaningful upgrade in talent on D...

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Of course. Just like how we were missing the presence of Halak in last year's preseason. I really wish Gauthier would start taking preseason into account when building his teams, it totally messes up my Septembers.

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People like to conveniently ignore the fact that we didn't used to have another #1 dman (Subban) to fill in for Markov when he went down (and did just fine), while crying like the sky is falling. We'll be fine, calm down.

As for Hamrlik, he's become near-Gill slow, gets at least 3 blocked weak wrist shots from the point per game and has begun to bobble the puck like MAB. He's done.

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