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06-10-2012, 02:37 PM
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Armia offered ELC/Signed

Dont know if this is posted elsewhere or deserves its own thread. I have not seen anyone talk about it....


Does it make sense considering they don't need to offer him a contract until next year? Does this not eat up a year of his RFA status even though he does not play pro over here?
Any reason on the timing? Sabres going to try and bring him over after his military service?

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06-10-2012, 02:45 PM
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Dont know if this is posted elsewhere or deserves its own thread. I have not seen anyone talk about it....


Does it make sense considering they don't need to offer him a contract until next year? Does this not eat up a year of his RFA status even though he does not play pro over here?
Any reason on the timing? Sabres going to try and bring him over after his military service?
No, it doesn't eat up a year of his RFA status. Just being pro-active in signing him this year rather than waiting until the last minute to sign him before deadline next summer.

To clarify, it doesn't eat up a year of his contract as that will not start until he comes to America and thus, doesn't eat up a year of RFA. Somebody who knows the CBA better than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but a player is an RFA until he has served seven years in the NHL or he turns 27.

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I had the same question regarding trying to sign him now.

It was answered thoroughly in the prospect thread. There's a several-post discussion on it in there.

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Dont know if this is posted elsewhere or deserves its own thread. I have not seen anyone talk about it....


Does it make sense considering they don't need to offer him a contract until next year? Does this not eat up a year of his RFA status even though he does not play pro over here?
Any reason on the timing? Sabres going to try and bring him over after his military service?
yes, it does not eat up a year of RFA

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Some details from the Finns and the resident CBA gurus in the Prospect Thread.

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No, it doesn't eat up a year of his RFA status. Just being pro-active in signing him this year rather than waiting until the last minute to sign him before deadline next summer.

To clarify, it doesn't eat up a year of his contract as that will not start until he comes to America and thus, doesn't eat up a year of RFA. Somebody who knows the CBA better than me can correct me if I'm wrong, but a player is an RFA until he has served seven years in the NHL or he turns 27.
Even if he was in America, he wouldn't burn the first year (12-13) unless he played 10 NHL games.
He could be in the AHL, for example, and the year wouldn't burn unless he played in the required amount of NHL games.
It's not very common, but this kind of thing was done with Tomas Tatar (drafted in 2009 and signed immediately, his contract was supposed to expire after 11-12 but now expires after the 13-14 season because it slid two years).

Beyond 12-13, every season counts, regardless of where he plays or how many NHL games he plays.

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Even if he was in America, he wouldn't burn the first year (12-13) unless he played 10 NHL games.
He could be in the AHL, for example, and the year wouldn't burn unless he played in the required amount of NHL games.
It's not very common, but this kind of thing was done with Tomas Tatar (drafted in 2009 and signed immediately, his contract was supposed to expire after 11-12 but now expires after the 13-14 season because it slid two years).

Beyond 12-13, every season counts, regardless of where he plays or how many NHL games he plays.
So he could come over and play in the AHL but as long as he doesn't play 10 NHL games, his contract doesn't start? That's confusing to me...

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So he could come over and play in the AHL but as long as he doesn't play 10 NHL games, his contract doesn't start? That's confusing to me...
Yes, when a prospect is 18 or 19, they don't lose a year unless they play 10 or more NHL games.
The rule specifically says NHL games, so games in any other league (even if it's professional) don't count.

They still get their minor league salary (or if they're in junior, their junior salary, which is hardly ever disclosed) and signing bonuses, but the year technically doesn't count.

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So he could come over and play in the AHL but as long as he doesn't play 10 NHL games, his contract doesn't start? That's confusing to me...
Also, a player has to be 20 to play in the AHL doe he not?

It's why Myers and a bunch of other kids got the "10 Game Tryout" you hear about from time to time.

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Also, a player has to be 20 to play in the AHL doe he not?

It's why Myers and a bunch of other kids got the "10 Game Tryout" you hear about from time to time.
That rule doesn't count for international players, he could play in the AHL now if he wanted.

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Also, a player has to be 20 to play in the AHL doe he not?

It's why Myers and a bunch of other kids got the "10 Game Tryout" you hear about from time to time.
No, a player has to turn 18 before the end of the calendar year to play in the AHL.

Players drafted out of the CHL must be 20 by the end of the calendar year to be eligible to play in the AHL because of the CHL-NHL agreement.

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No, a player has to turn 18 before the end of the calendar year to play in the AHL.

Players drafted out of the CHL must be 20 by the end of the calendar year to be eligible to play in the AHL because of the CHL-NHL agreement.

Ah, now I got it.

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Armia's military service will be complete in Early December which would allow him to play in Rochester at that time. Might be available for call up the 2nd half of the season if this were to come to fruition.

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If armia played on rochester next year I might get a little excited

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Yes, when a prospect is 18 or 19, they don't lose a year unless they play 10 or more NHL games.
The rule specifically says NHL games, so games in any other league (even if it's professional) don't count.

They still get their minor league salary (or if they're in junior, their junior salary, which is hardly ever disclosed) and signing bonuses, but the year technically doesn't count.
But if he came over next year, he'd be 20 and that counts, no?

I understand the juniors/10 games in NHL rule. But beyond that (next year for Armia) it would burn a year, no?

I was just stating that he doesn't burn a year of his contract for as long as he's overseason.

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But if he came over next year, he'd be 20 and that counts, no?

I understand the juniors/10 games in NHL rule. But beyond that (next year for Armia) it would burn a year, no?

I was just stating that he doesn't burn a year of his contract for as long as he's overseason.
Wouldnt he be 19? Arent you 18 in your rookie year(last year)

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But if he came over next year, he'd be 20 and that counts, no?

I understand the juniors/10 games in NHL rule. But beyond that (next year for Armia) it would burn a year, no?

I was just stating that he doesn't burn a year of his contract for as long as he's overseason.
I guess it depends on what you mean by next year, so I'll lay it out like this:

2012-13 - slides unless he plays 10+ NHL games
2013-14 and on - doesn't slide, no matter where he's playing

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I guess it depends on what you mean by next year, so I'll lay it out like this:

2012-13 - slides unless he plays 10+ NHL games
2013-14 and on - doesn't slide, no matter where he's playing
Yeah my bad, poor wording. I'm looking forward to the start of the season so much that by next season I meant 2013-2014.

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Any further word on this? I suspect he'll sign it soon if he hasn't already.

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Armia has signed his ELC!!

https://twitter.com/KusicHockey/stat...02417412390913

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http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=2298

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" #Sabres Joel Armia will play in the Finnish Elite League this fall... along with obligatory military service. 2013-14, Amerks or Sabres."

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His military service will be over in December. He has one more year on his contract with the league in Finland. I think he would be able to leave that contract and play with us at anytime starting in January if needed. (Now that he is signed to an ELC)

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I'm quite confident he'll play the whole year with Ässät, with the WJC around New Years

I think Sabres would have to pay Ässät some kind of severance if they took him in the middle of the season.

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How would Assat react to that, given the situation? Is this a familiar scenario for the league?

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