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06-11-2012, 03:53 PM
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an NHL #2 defenseman? on San Jose? we have lots of #3 defensemen, Boyle, Burns, Vlasic, but we certainly don't have a #2 or #1
Boyle is a #1, Burns is at worst a #2, probably a #1 by this season. Vlasic is a good #2 as well.

After that though we have a bunch of 5-6 d-men in Murray, Braun, Demers, and White/Vandermeer

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Boyle is a #1, Burns is at worst a #2, probably a #1 by this season. Vlasic is a good #2 as well.

After that though we have a bunch of 5-6 d-men in Murray, Braun, Demers, and White/Vandermeer
Yep.

And if we do sign Stuart it bridges the gap between the 2nd and 3rd pairing as well.

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Ugh. MPS is looking more and more like a bust, an early 2nd in nowhere near the value Pickles has.
The Sharks have quite a few "busts" if we're judging Paajarvi on the basis of a single season:

Brent Burns- 36 GP, 1-5-6
Joe Thornton- 55 GP, 3-4-7
Logan Couture- 25 GP, 5-4-9

Magnus Paajarvi- 41 GP, 2-6-8

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The Sharks have quite a few "busts" if we're judging Paajarvi on the basis of a single season:

Brent Burns- 36 GP, 1-5-6
Joe Thornton- 55 GP, 3-4-7
Logan Couture- 25 GP, 5-4-9

Magnus Paajarvi- 41 GP, 2-6-8
Each one of those are their first seasons. Which they improved on. MPS fell off a map in his second season. lolz

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Each one of those are their first seasons. Which they improved on. MPS fell off a map in his second season. lolz
You live in a curious world where zero initial success is a positive.

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The Sharks have quite a few "busts" if we're judging Paajarvi on the basis of a single season:

Brent Burns- 36 GP, 1-5-6
Joe Thornton- 55 GP, 3-4-7
Logan Couture- 25 GP, 5-4-9

Magnus Paajarvi- 41 GP, 2-6-8
Here is my counter offer to the OPs propasol:

James Sheppard and a 2nd for Eberle.

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You live in a curious world where zero initial success is a positive.
I think injuries are the concern here. He's become plagued with them. I like JVR, but I am starting to shy away from him based on that. We already have Havlat, we don't need another injury prone Top-6.

In all likelyhood we are trading for Nash anyway, so it's irrelevant.

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I think injuries are the concern here. He's become plagued with them. I like JVR, but I am starting to shy away from him based on that. We already have Havlat, we don't need another injury prone Top-6.
What? When was Paajarvi injured for any significant length of time? He played 80 games as an NHL rookie and then 75 this year between the AHL/NHL.

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In all likelyhood we are trading for Nash anyway, so it's irrelevant.
I really don't know why any of you think that's the smart play. Dany Heatley?

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You live in a curious world where zero initial success is a positive.
Ok lets go over the players you picked. We traded for Thornton when he was an established star. Burns was already acknowledged as a good, even great defenseman when we got him. Couture scored 30 goals in his second season. How is MPS comparable to any of them?

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I really don't know why any of you think that's the smart play. Dany Heatley?
We don't agree with. We all know we are getting Nash since DW likes going after big name players.(Boyle, Heatley, Campbell, and Thornton)

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What? When was Paajarvi injured for any significant length of time? He played 80 games as an NHL rookie and then 75 this year between the AHL/NHL.



I really don't know why any of you think that's the smart play. Dany Heatley?
Haha, oh man, i need a freaking nap.

Wrong thread, I was talking about JVR... good lord...

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Ok lets go over the players you picked. We traded for Thornton when he was an established star. Burns was already acknowledged as a good, even great defenseman when we got him. Couture scored 30 goals in his second season. How is MPS comparable to any of them?
He's comparable in that having initial difficulty- be it the first or second season- is not a necessarily a death knell to one's career. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Steve Downie is actually a great example of a player falling off the map as a sophomore and then re-emerging. He's now a young, highly-coveted 40+ point winger with the potential to net more. Patrick Sharp had an almost identical first two seasons to Magnus. Jacob Josefson is going through the same struggles right now. History is replete with stories of young talent like Paajarvi struggling to find a foothold, but ultimately doing so with success. That he's an elite skater and has a good pedigree are both big advantages to him coming around sooner rather than never at all.

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The Sharks have quite a few "busts" if we're judging Paajarvi on the basis of a single season:

Brent Burns- 36 GP, 1-5-6
Joe Thornton- 55 GP, 3-4-7
Logan Couture- 25 GP, 5-4-9

Magnus Paajarvi- 41 GP, 2-6-8
Yeah, Thornton is a bust.

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I really don't know why any of you think that's the smart play. Dany Heatley?
Nobody thinks it is. It's just such a Sharks move, we're preparing for the worst.

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He's comparable in that having initial difficulty- be it the first or second season- is not a necessarily a death knell to one's career. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Steve Downie is actually a great example of a player falling off the map as a sophomore and then re-emerging. He's now a young, highly-coveted 40+ point winger with the potential to net more. Patrick Sharp had an almost identical first two seasons to Magnus. Jacob Josefson is going through the same struggles right now.
If you guys want Vlasic we want an established young player not a prospect that has shown anything yet.

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06-11-2012, 04:37 PM
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If you guys want Vlasic we want an established young player not a prospect that has shown anything yet.
Well, here's a thing. I'm going to give you a moment here to go back and do something I suspect you haven't: read my posts. My posts. Not others in this thread.

And then I want you to press that "Print Screen" key, paste it into Paint, and circle where I said Paajarvi for Vlasic was fair value. Once you've done that, I will concede the point where I said the OP's proposal was fair.

Spoiler below in case you're on a mobile device or too lazy:

I never said it was. I merely refuting the point that Paajarv is a "bust".

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This thread really isn't necessary. Where's Slo when you need him?

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