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06-10-2012, 04:00 PM
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Free Agent Targets

So it's been a while since we had a thread about who we actually WANT on this team next year.

I'll kick it off. My needs on this team are center depth and a stay at home defensemen who can PK. I like us picking up two centers who are good on the dot (if we continue to not play our second best center, Sharp, at center).

My top targets...
-Jarret Stoll. Role: 3rd line center
He may be pricey which would be my one concern but he'd look great at 3C. Tough, good on the boards, good at the dot, PK monster. Allows Bolland to be slotted up to 2C where he can, hopefully, flourish with good linemates.

-Jim Slater. Role: 4th line center
He should come pretty cheap and is a great 4th liner. Same as Stoll: tough, good on the boards, good on the dot, and a PKer.

-Bryan Allen/Barret Jackman. Role: 2nd pairing, Hjalmarsson partner
Both are going to be pretty pricey but would be well worth the raises they're going to get. Both are tough to play against, defense first d men, who can log a ton of minutes on the PK.

Other targets...
McClement, Gaustad, Kelly
Lundin, Hannan,

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06-10-2012, 04:08 PM
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Stoll will stay with LAK guranteed. Everybody else are 'meh' except for Allen, none of the options listed seriously help our team...

EDIT: Hannan isn't a bad option, dont know much about him, but Kelly is about to re-sign with the bruins.

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06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
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Stoll will likely re-sign but if he's there on 7/1, make a pitch. If he doesn't sign Gaustad would also be a great 3rd line pickup for the Hawks. Kelly will probably re-sign. Hannan is a nice bottom pairing guy that can PK.

The thing is that the Hawks don't need to bring in a stud player, these guys aren't "meh" in the roles they'd play (bottom 6 center duties), they're exactly what a contending team would want there.

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06-10-2012, 04:16 PM
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Free Agents suck. Even bad teams like Toronto (Grabovski and Liles), Carolina (Gleason and Ruutu) and Colorado (Jones) are locking their guys in before letting them hit free agency because there just isn't a lot of options for replacements meaning you have to drastically overpay the guys that are out there (like Leino and Wisniewski last year).

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06-10-2012, 04:46 PM
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All the players in this thread I posted don't suck, and can be had for reasonable prices. Yes the price is inflated but that's the reality. Where do you suggest we get center depth from this off season then if nt free agency? Or a SAH d man?

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All players in free agency are going to be "overpriced" from now on for the most part. Isn't it possible that they are not "overpriced" (obviously some still are), but that prices are just going up? The same thing happens in the non hockey world when stuff just starts costing more (take movies for example). As the years go on, EVERYONE will start to cost more money year after year and every signing of a free agent is going to look like an overpayment (and yes again, some are overpayments).

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Bowman has to make a deal to improve the team. He won't.

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Outside of Parise , Suter and Jackman the FA market is horrid

Rather see Bowman trade for some players then overpay in this FA market

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McClement would be alright in a fourth line role.

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I'd be down with McClement.

Jackman, Allen, or a defenseman in that vain, would also be a great grab.

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06-10-2012, 06:33 PM
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Outside of Parise , Suter and Jackman the FA market is horrid

Rather see Bowman trade for some players then overpay in this FA market
There's plenty of bottom 6 center depth on the market that would great help our team. Just because someone isn't a star player doesn't mean they can't help.

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There's plenty of bottom 6 center depth on the market that would great help our team. Just because someone isn't a star player doesn't mean they can't help.
We saw last summer by the massive overpayments to Kopecky , Ward , etc that going for bottom 6 in FA can be just as pricey and overbloated as any star player (Actually probably worse given how limited the FA market is)

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06-10-2012, 06:49 PM
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lol at thinking guys like Slater are going to gew anywhere near that much money. The market is bloated but I'd be very surprised if he even got 2 million. Come on, not everything is so black and white, use some tact.

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lol at thinking guys like Slater are going to gew anywhere near that much money. The market is bloated but I'd be very surprised if he even got 2 million. Come on, not everything is so black and white, use some tact.
And what type of contract did you expect Joel Ward to receive last summer?

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Outside of Parise , Suter and Jackman the FA market is horrid

Rather see Bowman trade for some players then overpay in this FA market
This, unless the Hawks somehow get Suter or Jackman would rather the Hawks trade one of their large pool of prospects to get a good player with less of a cap hit.

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All players in free agency are going to be "overpriced" from now on for the most part. Isn't it possible that they are not "overpriced" (obviously some still are), but that prices are just going up? The same thing happens in the non hockey world when stuff just starts costing more (take movies for example). As the years go on, EVERYONE will start to cost more money year after year and every signing of a free agent is going to look like an overpayment (and yes again, some are overpayments).
Brent Seabrook and James Wisniewski both had deals expire at the end of last season. Seabrook re-signed with his team, Wisniewski went to UFA. Seabrook has a cap hit of $5.8 million, Wisniewski has a virtually identical cap hit of $5.5 million. Plenty of players sign good deals when they re-sign but the guys that leave for free agency get drastically overpaid in a way that cap inflation alone does not make up for.

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And what type of contract did you expect Joel Ward to receive last summer?
I expected him to get way overpaid, it surprise dme by about half a million but that's it. He had a monster playoffs and was going to cash in Frolik style.

The guys I mentioned are known quantities though, known bottom 6ers or known 4th line guys. THey won't get paid nearly as much.

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Parise
Hudler
Whitney

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Parise
Hudler
Whitney
I'd be fine with the first or third option.

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#1 Parise
#2 Hudler
#3 Whitney
#4 Semin (for the right price and like the Caps did it, only shortterm)
#5 Smyth
#6 Sullivan

other than that, I don't think there would be a guy worth the pickup and the salary that it would need to get them. Only real chance to improve our team via Free Agency would be #1-#3 (+ Suter who I doubt will be on Bowmans list with the price that comes with him and the team need of another #1 DMan).

In the end, we have to make trades to improve our team. With a possible lockout and no CBA in place I don't really see Bowman taking a risk. Roster was good enough to win in the RS and was good enough to win in the POs. Goaltending and coaching lost the series. Coaching was a minor change already and I don't think Bowman will change our tandem for next year.


why wouldn't you like Hudler? He won't get more than 3 million, is solid in his own zone and can play all 3 forward positions while giving you 0.5+ ppg

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06-11-2012, 09:19 AM
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Oh yea, Jiri Hudler, that's EXCACTLY what the Hawks need. A small, inconsistent center who sucks at the dot. No thanks. Semin? Really, a guy who has been publicyly called out for not having a winning drive? Smyth? Who is quite up there in years and really slowed down the 2nd half? Sullivan would be okay but money would be better spent elsewhere.

Center depth (bottom 6) is very available this off-season and for good prices, that's where money should be spent and then you give a bunch of money to a SAH guy for the 2nd pairing and this team looks a hell of a lot better.

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It would be weird, but Jackman would be a good fit for us.

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who? Who are these great SAH guys available? Who are those great depth Centers. I give you McClement... other than that, there isn't much that improves us. This years UFA sucks for a team like us. Parise is the guy we need. Other than that, Hudler or Whitney would be solid 0.5+ ppg Wingers that won't get that much money

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SAH: Jackman and Allen can both play 2nd pairing minutes, PK and are tough to play against. Lundin, Zanon and Hannan can all play 3rd pairing minutes and PK.

Depth centers: McClement, Slater, Gaustad, Stoll (if not re-signed) and Konopka.

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Jackman will end up being overpaid and he makes as many mistakes as Oduya and Campoli combined... Really not interested and never was.

Allen would be okay, but he'd play over Oduya, Montador (who is liked by Bowman), Hjammer or Leddy?

Slater gets soooo much love, don't see the upside we would have with him. Gaustad will be overpaid, Stoll won't leave and if he will get 4+ million and Konopka, really?

UFA sucks for the Hawks this year. Have to hope for Bowman to make a trade to improve the team.

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