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06-10-2012, 07:28 PM
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11'/12' Offseason Proposals/Trades/Signings: Bingo Bango Bongo!

His name is Roberto Luongo!



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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

Schenn, 5th

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I wonder if our fans would do the Luuuuuuuuu chant

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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

Schenn, 5th

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Matt Duchene

Would the Avs?
Why the hell would the Avs do this?

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add bush to the title, bingo bango bongo bush has a nice ring to it

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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

Schenn, 5th

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Matt Duchene

Would the Avs?
There's no reason for the Avs to do this and an Avs fan said as much in the last thread.

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2nd overall + Umberger
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5th overall + MacArthur + Schenn

I'm sticking with that proposal lol

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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

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Matt Duchene

Would the Avs?

I'm a huge fan of Duchene's and would love to do it. I could really see the Avs atleast thinking about it.

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There's no reason for the Avs to do this and an Avs fan said as much in the last thread.
And he has the authority to decide?

I think it would be a tough call and ultimately if they want to make space for RO'R, Duchene and Stastny in the top 6, they may want to move one.

I think the offer is fair value, as Duchene hasn't proven yet to be a 1C, and the 5th could be just as good. Throwing in Schenn would help to stabilize the D for them.

The biggest reason I think it's very fair is that I'm not sure I like the deal. I still really believe on the C's in this draft could be really good.

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2nd overall + Umberger
For
5th overall + MacArthur + Schenn

I'm sticking with that proposal lol
Way too big a price to pay to move up 3 spots. I don't think much more then picks would be needed to do that. But I still highly value Schenn.

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If you could add Thornton and Luongo this off season, would you?

I've seen in the trade rumors section that SJS fans would more than likely be willing to trade Thronton for a decent package. Let's say:

To SJS: 5th Overall, Colborne, 2nd 2013, MacArthur

To TOR: Joe Thronton, Ryane Clowe

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To VAN: 2nd 2012, Armstrong, Rynnas

To TOR: Luongo, 3rd 2012 or 2013

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Then let's say we get lucky and sign Justin Schultz:

Lupul Thornton Kessel
Kulemin Grabovski Clowe
Frattin Connolly Kadri
Brown Bozak Rosehill

Gunnar Phaneuf
Gardiner Schultz
Liles Schenn
Franson

Luongo
Reimer

We would have to do something with Komisarek and Lombardi, I'm not sure if they could both fit in the minors. Jeff Finger's contract is up so there's more room down there now.

It's giving up a ton of youth like 5th overall, two 2nd rounders, Colborne and Rynnas for two guys that are in their 30's, but I think this addresses our needs pretty well.

Anyway, (a) not even sure if these trades are realistic and (b) not sure if they're too quick of fixes. I just think Thornton (+ Kessel + Lupul) and Luongo make this team pretty damn good going into next year.


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06-10-2012, 08:25 PM
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Way too big a price to pay to move up 3 spots. I don't think much more then picks would be needed to do that. But I still highly value Schenn.
Umberger is a key piece of the trade .. he's a great top 6er imo who fits the bill for what we need

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Unfortunately Joe Thornton is too old for this team. He has maybe 4-5 good years left. I would love to have him here next year, but not at the cost of high quality futures. I think the 5th is a no starter for anyone over ~27y/o.

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Moving up from #5 seems pretty useless (Unless we were moving up to #1). The positive would be we would get first dibs on one of either Grigorenko, Forsberg, or Galchenyuk, but honestly, these three players (at-least to me) are all very interchangeable and all three have similar potential. Flip a coin really.

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Umberger is a key piece of the trade .. he's a great top 6er imo who fits the bill for what we need
I thought him and Burke don't like each other? Not sure on that. But we don't really need 2nd line help unless they're of the PF variety. Just my opinion.

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Moving up from #5 seems pretty useless (Unless we were moving up to #1). The positive would be we would get first dibs on one of either Grigorenko, Forsberg, or Galchenyuk, but honestly, these three players (at-least to me) are all very interchangeable and all three have similar potential. Flip a coin really.
I think Burke is gonna target a 1C in this draft. I also think he's isn't the sit tight and see where the cards lay kinda guy. I think he likes to make his own destiny. I'd be surprised if he isn't working hard on moving up/down.

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Unfortunately Joe Thornton is too old for this team. He has maybe 4-5 good years left. I would love to have him here next year, but not at the cost of high quality futures. I think the 5th is a no starter for anyone over ~27y/o.
I agree and disagree at the same time. I think Thornton playing with Kessel and Lupul is a 20/80 guy good for 100 points for the next 3-4 years. That's worth giving up some future for IMO. It's not like we're giving up futures for a veteran 3rd liner.

Lupul 30 goals and 40 assists
Thornton 20 goals and 80 assists
Kessel 50 goals and 50 assists

I think those would be reasonable expectations with the three of them playing together for a full year.

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I think Burke is gonna target a 1C in this draft. I also think he's isn't the sit tight and see where the cards lay kinda guy. I think he likes to make his own destiny. I'd be surprised if he isn't working hard on moving up/down.
Maybe, but consider what else we would have to part with in order to move up three spots. Just wouldn't be worth it in my opinion considering the possibility that the player Burke wants might still very well be there at #5. It's risky either way when you think about it, but having the left over of Galchenyuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg is a pretty damn good consolation prize.

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I thought him and Burke don't like each other? Not sure on that. But we don't really need 2nd line help unless they're of the PF variety. Just my opinion.
Umberger is 6'2 and 220 lbs, he adds some size and strength to our lineup

Burke believed that Kesler was the better between the two so he wanted to sign Umberger for less ... turns out that Umberger wanted the same amount of money as Kesler and decided to walk (burke offered something in the 800 000 range, Umberger wanted something in the 1.1 mil range IIRC)

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Umberger never did come to terms with former Canuck general manager Brian Burke and his rights were eventually dealt in March of 2004 to the New York Rangers for Martin Rucinsky, who played all of 13 regular-season games with the Canucks.

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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

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Matt Duchene

Would the Avs?
I would do it in a second but the only way the Avs would consider it is if they feel Stastny is the better player, and I can't see how they could. It makes absolutely no sense to move the younger guy with greater potential. I would argue this draft year is worse than Duchene's so no assumption they would be picking a greater talent with #5. Add to that Schenn's fairly weak year and the drop in his market value. Stastny is dealable for a positive reuturn. If they want to make a change it will be with him.

Really how often do teams deal young stars under 23 years of age? Maybe for major positional need with core players of similar worth. They already did their blockbuster with St Louis last year. One off season for SD won't negate the two years before. I don't expect Tavares, E Kane, or Stamkos to be moving around either.

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I would do it in a second but the only way the Avs would consider it is if they feel Stastny is the better player, and I can't see how they could. It makes absolutely no sense to move the younger guy with greater potential. I would argue this draft year is worse than Duchene's so no assumption they would be picking a greater talent with #5. Add to that Schenn's fairly weak year and the drop in his market value. Stastny is dealable for a positive reuturn. If they want to make a change it will be with him.

Really how often do teams deal young stars under 23 years of age? Maybe for major positional need with core players of similar worth. They already did their blockbuster with St Louis last year. One off season for SD won't negate the two years before. I don't expect Tavares, E Kane, or Stamkos to be moving around either.
I don't disagree with you, but Duchene also had a very weak year by his standards.

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Beat me by 2 mins. You got a better title anyway.


I asked this in the last thread, would you:

Schenn, 5th

for

Matt Duchene

Would the Avs?
and as i said then..no way its happenig

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How can we acquire both Kesler and Luongo?

Let me know.

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How can we acquire both Kesler and Luongo?

Let me know.

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To acquire Luongo and Kesler we'd have to trade with Vancouver.

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Brain Burke and R.J. Umberger have bad history together. Burke will probably NEVER trade for him.

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