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06-10-2012, 07:52 PM
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What are we expecting from Jason Demers?

I know we were all ridiculously high on him after last season's stretch and playoff run. Then he came intp this season out of shape, a bit cocky, and was a total disaster at both ends of the ice.

What doesn't make any sense is that Demers played some pretty damn hard minutes in 10-11 and he dominated them. Then he was given soft minutes this season and was eaten alive.

What gives? What kind of potential do we see in him? Is he worth trading? What do we do?

Personally, I want to keep him and give him another year with Braun and see what we have, because I think there's too much potential to trade low and he's still very cheap, but I can see the argument for trading him.

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06-10-2012, 07:57 PM
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I hope he can turn it around. Vlasic definitely made him look better in 10-11 so the combination of playing with White and playing poorly made his drop especially bad.

I think he'll be good but not as good as 10-11. Maybe.

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10-11 Demers was a beast.

I want him back.

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I'm expecting him to not turn into another Ehrhoff.

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I'd like to see him play a year without having to play with a crappy d partner or having to switch defensive sides.

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Fear the Fin did a nice piece on Demers and showed that he played his best when paired with Braun. I'd like to see a full season of those two together.

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I know we were all ridiculously high on him after last season's stretch and playoff run. Then he came intp this season out of shape, a bit cocky, and was a total disaster at both ends of the ice.

What doesn't make any sense is that Demers played some pretty damn hard minutes in 10-11 and he dominated them. Then he was given soft minutes this season and was eaten alive.

What gives? What kind of potential do we see in him? Is he worth trading? What do we do?

Personally, I want to keep him and give him another year with Braun and see what we have, because I think there's too much potential to trade low and he's still very cheap, but I can see the argument for trading him.
I think you are missing a number of points.

1) Demers was injured at the end of that season, remember? He had a fair amount of healing to do and so came into camp without the benefit of a full summer's rest, healing, and training.

2) The org kept trying to put him on the left side, which is not his natural position. Especially for a d-man, that is a major change that requires a LOT of adjustment. I believe others have said it can take a d-man at least a season to make the transition to opposite side, if they can make it at all.

3) He was paired with Braun (another rookie, while being forced to the left side), Burns (but only at the start when Burns himself was still adjusting, and again on the left side), White (playing his natural right-side, but with a partner who was sucking big time), and Vandermeer (the only combo that seemed to work much).

Personally, I think many Sharks fans were once again expecting way too much from a guy in his sophomore season. Especially one who was being forced to play the wrong side most of the year and who did have a stable partner all year to develop chemistry with. I think trading Demers (or Braun) would be a major mistake. Just as I think expecting too much from him is a major mistake. He's young, the org is trying to force him to play the opposite side, and he will make mistakes. And as is common with the Sharks, if you are young and make mistakes you are drastically beaten down for it (see Stuart, Ehrhoff, Carle, and on and on and on). I say give him at least another couple of years before you expect to have an honest assessment of him.

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I think you are missing a number of points.

1) Demers was injured at the end of that season, remember? He had a fair amount of healing to do and so came into camp without the benefit of a full summer's rest, healing, and training.
I admit to not having any concrete knowledge, so maybe you could help me out, but Demers' injury was kind of fishy. We had Thornton and Clowe playing with separated shoulders, Heatley playing with a broken hand and knee issue, and Demers is sat for a high-ankle sprain? And I spoke to Brodie before game 3 of the WCF and he seemed like Demers was ready to go, but then Demers never played.

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2) The org kept trying to put him on the left side, which is not his natural position. Especially for a d-man, that is a major change that requires a LOT of adjustment. I believe others have said it can take a d-man at least a season to make the transition to opposite side, if they can make it at all.
Trust me, I understand the significance of that move. By eye, it looked to me that Braun was playing on the left more than Jason. I guess I'm wrong.

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3) He was paired with Braun (another rookie, while being forced to the left side), Burns (but only at the start when Burns himself was still adjusting, and again on the left side), White (playing his natural right-side, but with a partner who was sucking big time), and Vandermeer (the only combo that seemed to work much).
So unless he's playing with Vlasic he's doomed to fail? That severely limits our options.

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Personally, I think many Sharks fans were once again expecting way too much from a guy in his sophomore season. Especially one who was being forced to play the wrong side most of the year and who did have a stable partner all year to develop chemistry with. I think trading Demers (or Braun) would be a major mistake. Just as I think expecting too much from him is a major mistake. He's young, the org is trying to force him to play the opposite side, and he will make mistakes. And as is common with the Sharks, if you are young and make mistakes you are drastically beaten down for it (see Stuart, Ehrhoff, Carle, and on and on and on). I say give him at least another couple of years before you expect to have an honest assessment of him.
I think expectations were definitely way too high. Tons of Sharks fans were valuing him over Vlasic, which I thought was a giant mistake. And this org's treatment of young players is well chronicled.

What do you think Demers ceiling is?

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I'd like to see him play a year without having to play with a crappy d partner or having to switch defensive sides.
so he's going to play with White on the wrong side?

cause you know thats what DW is probably gonna do

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2) The org kept trying to put him on the left side, which is not his natural position. Especially for a d-man, that is a major change that requires a LOT of adjustment. I believe others have said it can take a d-man at least a season to make the transition to opposite side, if they can make it at all.
They moved Demers back to the right and Braun on the left later in the season (and in the playoffs), and he still didn't look great (while Braun didn't look out of place). He just had a horrible off-season and a poor start that probably killed his confidence. I expect him to be better next season considering it's a contract year.

Or maybe he just isn't that good. He just looked great compared to Huskins and Wallin.

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Clearly he was getting carried by Kent Huskins.

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I admit to not having any concrete knowledge, so maybe you could help me out, but Demers' injury was kind of fishy. We had Thornton and Clowe playing with separated shoulders, Heatley playing with a broken hand and knee issue, and Demers is sat for a high-ankle sprain? And I spoke to Brodie before game 3 of the WCF and he seemed like Demers was ready to go, but then Demers never played.
You speak to Brodie before games?!?

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You speak to Brodie before games?!?
Haha no, I was at the street fair before the game, and he was there talking to fans.

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Demers not falling down is almost too much to ask.

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Haha no, I was at the street fair before the game, and he was there talking to fans.

Ahh ok. LOL, I was "omigahing" over here at your connections

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Ahh ok. LOL, I was "omigahing" over here at your connections
I wish I were friends with Brodie. That'd be awesome.

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I wish I were friends with Brodie. That'd be awesome.
Sure if you like your facebook wall spammed with instragram photos of his cravings of tater tots and ketchup.

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Sure if you like your facebook wall spammed with instragram photos of his cravings of tater tots and ketchup.
I could take the tater tots, but the ketchup is a deal-breaker.

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Sure if you like your facebook wall spammed with instragram photos of his cravings of tater tots and ketchup.
The guy is such a bachelor. Use a plate? Hell no! Why dirty another dish Brodie says? Squirts ketchup right on the baking pan

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I'd like to just see him get more ice time.

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I'm expecting Demers (or Braun) to be a bargaining chip in acquiring a top-6 forward. Teams are always looking for a right handed PMD to fill out their second or third pairings. Currently San Jose has four (Boyle, Burns, Braun, and Demers). As long as Demers (or Braun) come #3 (behind Boyle and Burns) in the depth chart, he'll never fully be utilized. It's best to move Demers (or Braun) so the team can improve in other areas, and so he can have a meatier role somewhere else.

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Roll these pairings:

Vlasic-Boyle
Braun-Burns
Stuart-Demers

Both Braun and Demers benefit, Braun develops his offensive game, which I see potential in, from Burns. Stuart mentors Demers in solid defensive play. Good now and future.

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Trading Demers would be a mistake. He has the potential to be an above average PMD. I would hate to see him become a stud on another team

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Roll these pairings:

Vlasic-Boyle
Braun-Burns
Stuart-Demers

Both Braun and Demers benefit, Braun develops his offensive game, which I see potential in, from Burns. Stuart mentors Demers in solid defensive play. Good now and future.
I don't hate this.

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