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06-11-2012, 11:03 PM
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I actually felt the Oilers would deal the pick soon after they won the lottery. I was all yahooing with the thought of Yakupov in the lineup (still am daydreaming about it) but I think the writing has been on the wall for a while that they want to trade that pick for multiple parts.

I'm down because we won't get Yakupov but nothing I can do as a fan. I just hope Yakupov doesn't become a 40+ goal man in TO... that would suck... but I'm betting that's where he ends up and that's what happens.
If the Oilers pass on Yakupov and choose Murray at #1 or trade down for him,
then, I hope Yakupov scores 40+ just to prove to the Oilers Brass what
they gave up.

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Well, since the SCF is officially over.
I wonder if there will be any trades (ie. Rights for Schultz, other players)
in the days leading up to the Draft?

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06-11-2012, 11:08 PM
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Well, since the SCF is officially over.
I wonder if there will be any trades (ie. Rights for Schultz, other players)
in the days leading up to the Draft?
There have been a few trades already, the only teams effected are those still in the playoffs. The Oilers won't trade for Schultz's rights, because they can just wait for him to be a UFA.

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06-11-2012, 11:31 PM
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If the Oilers pass on Yakupov and choose Murray at #1 or trade down for him,
then, I hope Yakupov scores 40+ just to prove to the Oilers Brass what
they gave up.
But what if Murray becomes a top pairing defenceman?

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06-11-2012, 11:38 PM
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But what if Murray becomes a top pairing defenceman?
The Oilers will get criticized for whoever they draft. Some fans will criticize the team no matter who they draft.

The last 2 seasons the Oilers were criticized for drafting Hall over Seguin and RNH over Larsson. They'll still getting criticized for picking Hall and RNH.

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Ryan Murray = Erik Johnson

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06-11-2012, 11:52 PM
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What are you basing this on?

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The Oilers will get criticized for whoever they draft. Some fans will criticize the team no matter who they draft.

The last 2 seasons the Oilers were criticized for drafting Hall over Seguin and RNH over Larsson. They'll still getting criticized for picking Hall and RNH.
You'll always have people who criticize... you'll never have 100% consensus on anything in a world full of opinionated people.

I was a big backer of Larsson and liked Landeskog and Couturier as well. I got on board the RNH train after the pick and watching him play he's a solid choice.

Hall was an easy choice... Seguin is very good as well but Hall had an edge in intangibles and still does.

This year I definitely see Yakupov as the clear #1 so it will be tough to see them trade him away... but we'll have to see what the return is I guess.

We have a right as fans to ***** and complain... we watch a crap team year after year that hasn't made the playoffs for 6 years so if we can't release frustrations by *****ing and moaning sometimes we'd hold all that rage in and become serial killers.

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But what if Murray becomes a top pairing defenceman?
And what if we take him and he doesn't? To much of a risk Last Dman taken first Overall who was money in the bank was Denis Potvin 1974

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What are you basing this on?
Think he's trying to insult Erik Johnson

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And what if we take him and he doesn't? To much of a risk Last Dman taken first Overall who was money in the bank was Denis Potvin 1974
And what if we take Yakupov and he doesn't score 40 goals? He could be the next Filatov for al we know, right?

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Think he's trying to insult Erik Johnson
That might be it.

I'm just trying to help people open their minds here. Everyone is discrediting Murray's abilities because they don't want to give him a chance. They give him comparisons like Bouwmeester or Johnson but don't even consider it possible that Yakupov could disappoint.

The Oilers scouts have seen these players play more than almost all of you. They'll pick the right player.

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What are you basing this on?
How highly touted they were at the time and their similar skillsets. Don't get me wrong, Johnson is a good defenseman but he is not a #1.

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How highly touted they were at the time and their similar skillsets. Don't get me wrong, Johnson is a good defenseman but he is not a #1.
Murray and EJ have vastly different skill sets.

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06-12-2012, 12:07 AM
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And what if we take Yakupov and he doesn't score 40 goals? He could be the next Filatov for al we know, right?
That might be it.

I'm just trying to help people open their minds here. Everyone is discrediting Murray's abilities because they don't want to give him a chance. They give him comparisons like Bouwmeester or Johnson but don't even consider it possible that Yakupov could disappoint.

The Oilers scouts have seen these players play more than almost all of you. They'll pick the right player.
Im fine with 35 and Murray has shown no offensive dynamic to his game So you would rather have a Philips Johnson Kulak type of pick take a look at all drafts and Defenseman all taken in the top 5 the number of dissapointments are tremendous Hell no to Murray at 1st.

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And what if we take him and he doesn't? To much of a risk Last Dman taken first Overall who was money in the bank was Denis Potvin 1974
I get your point but wasn't Roman Hamrlik first overall in 1991?

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It's nice to see a team like LA win because it gives one hope for this franchise to do so before the end of the decade.

Brown (Draft '03)-Kopitar (Draft '05)-Williams (Trade '09)
Richards (Trade '12)-Carter (Trade '12)-Penner (Trade '11)
Gagne (UFA '11)-Stoll (Trade '08)-Lewis (Draft '06)
Clifford (Draft '09)-King (Draft '07)-Nolan (Draft '09)

Scuderi (FA '09)-Doughty (Draft '08)
Mitchell (FA '10)-Voynov (Draft '08)
Martinez (Draft '07)-Greene (Trade '08)

Quick (Draft '05)
Bernier (Draft '06)

Edmonton has the following pieces that I feel play into the long-term plan (either by youth or by contract):

Hall (Draft '10)-RNH (Draft '11)-Eberle (Draft '08)
X-X-Yakupov (Draft '12)
Paajarvi (Draft '09)-Horcoff (Draft '98)-Jones (Waivers '09)
Hartikainen (Draft '08)-Lander (Draft '09)-X

Smid (Trade '06)-X
Whitney (Trade '10)-Petry (Draft '06)
Schultz (Trade '12)-X

X
Dubnyk (Draft '04)

Prospects that may fill holes include the Euro Three (Marincin, Gernat, Klefbom) on defence, Bunz and Tuohimaa in goal, and a menagerie of forwards that appear to be middle-three talents at best. However, my own pessimism leads me to assume that this talent pool will only assist in filling the least-important roles. If Pitlick or Gernat turn out to be All-Stars, great, but I think it's imperative the organization actively looks to fill the four major holes above- two robust second liners, a top-pairing PMD, and a goalie.

Bottom line, I think this is a team capable of following the LA/Chicago/Pittsburgh blueprint by 2014/15... if Tambellini can a) make at least one big signing b) make at least one great trade c) have a prospect emerge to fill the top D/G job internally.


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Murray and EJ have vastly different skill sets.
I think the reason that most of HFOil hates Murray is because they see people like that saying negative things about Murray when they are really talking out of their ass.

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I get your point but wasn't Roman Hamrlik first overall in 1991?
yes he did, and he has had a long, solid career, but never was he an impact dman, and i suspect Murray will turn out to have a similar career - long career as a solid but not great dman.

Pronger went 2nd, but should have gone 1st instead of Daigle.

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I get your point but wasn't Roman Hamrlik first overall in 1991?
And he was a good Nhl dman wont make the Hall he was no franchise player.

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Murray and EJ have vastly different skill sets.
I'm talking more about the fact that they were/are considered to be reliable, 2-way dmen, however, offense is an area they both somewhat lack in. (Which is why EJ is not considered to be a #1 defenseman by most.) I could see the same thing with Murray. I would still love to have a player like that but not at the cost of the 1st overall.

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EDM : Gudbranson + 2013 1st. FLA: 1st overall + 2013 2nd + 3rd

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Ryan Murray = Erik Johnson
on the fact that not a single scout, NHL coach/manager/or hockey medium member has ever said they see greatness in this kid. all you hear is: 'most ready', 'solid', 'makes the right decision'. i haven't anything like: 'the next Neidermayer or Bourque, or Pronger'. if no one is really sold on him as a future star, how can you possibly take him at number 1? especially when there is a player that looks like a future star and is compared to past stars.

if they take Murray at number 1... well, they'd be taking a huge chance. disappointment is more likely than satisfaction.

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EDM : Gudbranson + 2013 1st. FLA: 1st overall + 2013 2nd + 3rd
No thanks. The Oilers are not going to do that trade and end up with no pick in first round in 2012.

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No thanks. The Oilers are not going to do that trade and end up with no pick in first round in 2012.
Pay to get...

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Gudbranson had 8 points in 72 games and was -17. He also had 0 points in the playoffs.

While I know he has a lot of potential he's way too big of a risk to trade the 1st overall away for.

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