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06-19-2012, 08:49 AM
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It's not a horrible idea, but giving up a 2nd round pick which we have a good history with (if he signs) when you could have gotten him for free. Seems a bit foolish.

I have to think the team has an inside track with both Steps and McD having talked to him already. If he's still unsure he can come get the tour once he reaches FA. If those two alone can't persuade him to come, then there may be other motivations as some have said with him wanting to live up North.

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What's the max amount you can give a guy like Schultz, with bonuses?

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What's the max amount you can give a guy like Schultz, with bonuses?
I think $3,812,500 (3 years if signed when he's 21, or 2 years if signed when he's 22), but I would trust whatever RangerBoy says over myself.

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What's the max amount you can give a guy like Schultz, with bonuses?
A bonuses are $850,000. B bonuses are $2,000,000. MAX amounts for both categories. Usually the B bonuses are given to first overall picks. Top 3 overall picks. A bonuses are individual performance bonuses. B are league award bonuses.

Schultz can get a $925,000 MAX salary. 10% of that number can be a signing bonus

$3,775,000 cap hit

2 years/$7,550,000

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06-19-2012, 06:23 PM
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Andy Strickland

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Who would have thought Dallas D-man Sheldon Souray would be in the position to turn down a $3 million dollar contract? Sources say he recently rejected a one year, $3 million offer from Dallas.
http://www.truehockey.com/articles/Hot-Stove-Time

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On that reported Souray offer of 1-year, $3 million, I'm hearing it was discussed but not offered. So officially, it was not declined.
https://twitter.com/MikeHeika/status/215110273772691459

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Since he was drafted in 2008, isn't the max salary $875,000?

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06-19-2012, 06:58 PM
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Since he was drafted in 2008, isn't the max salary $875,000?
He is a free agent signing in 2012. $925,000 is the max for 2011 and 2012.

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This is article by Ken Campbell from May 2008 on Blake Wheeler

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Other executives around the league were baffled by Wheeler’s decision, given that the Coyotes seem to have some promising young players and seem headed in the right direction under head coach Wayne Gretzky. All things being equal – in fact more lucrative financially under his first contract – it seems strange to some hockey people that Wheeler would spurn the Coyotes.

“The only thing I can think of is that he wants to sign with the Minnesota Wild because he’s from there,” one executive said.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...g-Coyotes.html

Wheeler signed with Boston and one of the finalists were the Rangers. Location didn't play a factor in his decision. I know everyone is different....

Wheeler would have gotten more money by signing with PHX under the previous CBA MAX money from 2004. The current CBA lowered the MAX salaries.

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06-19-2012, 07:08 PM
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He is a free agent signing in 2012. $925,000 is the max for 2011 and 2012.
Thanks. Didn't know that.

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06-19-2012, 07:16 PM
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http://www.truehockey.com/articles/Hot-Stove-Time

Not so fast Andy



https://twitter.com/MikeHeika/status/215110273772691459

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dont scare me , Souray is a name that came up a ton, I am sure the Rangers are going for a RD though

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06-20-2012, 06:19 AM
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If Burke wants to make a major move. He will have to move Jake Gardiner. So Justin Schultz should avoid TO. That is such a bad situation. They have no goaltending. No leadership. Burke is on the hot seat with new ownership taking over. More roster upheaval with a new coach is coming.

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That’s the feeling of several National Hockey League scouts who have had more than a few looks at the Leafs’ group of prospects, whether it’s with the big club, the Marlies, or at the junior or collegiate level.

And if the Leafs put a lot of stock in their young group, it’s clear that not every one agrees that Toronto is brimming with bluechip youngsters.

“Gardiner would be the top guy,” a Western Conference scout said. “Two or three years ago, I would have said Luke Schenn. But he has not made that next step.

“For me, Joe Colborne would be the next guy after Gardiner, but to a lesser degree. Nazem Kadri still hasn’t shown he can play with men yet.

“To do something significant, the guy he would probably have to give up is Gardiner.”
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/19...ke-on-gardiner

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06-20-2012, 10:03 AM
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I would trade Dubinsky straight up for Gardiner.
Yeah, me too

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06-22-2012, 09:53 AM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=398941#YourCallTop

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Where will Justin Schultz land?

McKenzie: The Anaheim Ducks know the jig is up there. They know that Schultz, who they selected in the second round of the 2008 Draft, will become a free agent this Sunday. Once Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are gone as free agents, Schultz, the blue chip prospect from the University of Wisconsin, who should be a top-four defenceman for a long time in the NHL, is going to be one of the most sought after free agents. There's a strong belief that he wants to play on a Canadian team, and one that will give him the opportunity to be a major contributor right off the hop. The Edmonton Oilers fit that bill perfectly and there's a lot of speculation that Schultz might be receptive to that, but nobody knows for sure until Schultz starts talking.
This was posted in the Schultz thread on the T&R Forum.

If we don't get our offensive threat or Schultz this offseason will suck.

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I saw that McKenzie report last night.

Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun discussed Edmonton and Schultz a few weeks ago

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https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/sta...38809540132864

Edmonton? Who goes to Edmonton by choice when that player has options?

Schultz can "officially" speak with teams on Monday.

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Simmons can't even form a sentence. Him and Cox should go annoy another sport's fans.

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I saw that McKenzie report last night.

Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun discussed Edmonton and Schultz a few weeks ago



https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/sta...38809540132864

Edmonton? Who goes to Edmonton by choice when that player has options?

Schultz can "officially" speak with teams on Monday.
I feel more inclined to go with Vancouver just because it's a good team and he's basically home.

I don't see Toronto as an ideal spot for him.

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06-22-2012, 10:15 AM
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I saw that McKenzie report last night.

Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun discussed Edmonton and Schultz a few weeks ago



https://twitter.com/simmonssteve/sta...38809540132864

Edmonton? Who goes to Edmonton by choice when that player has options?

Schultz can "officially" speak with teams on Monday.
Why is it assumed he wants to go to a Canadian team? Seems like media speculation based on being from Canada and how everyone always wants to play for Canada or their hometown over everything else

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The Ducks are furious at Schultz

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Bob Murray, the Ducks' executive vice president and general manager, and his lieutenants remain mystified as to why Schultz changed his mind. Murray, in fact, said he planned on asking the representatives of Schultz again Thursday when they met about another matter.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,3672072.story

He does owe the Ducks a reason. It is a ******* move. Schultz tells the Ducks he will be there in March and then decides to go free agent. If a player pulled that on the Rangers,......................

Newport Sports has not been able to reach an agreement with the Oilers for Ryan Smyth. When Smyth was traded in 2007,the Oilers tried to re-sign Smyth that summer. Newport Sports hung up the phone.

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,3672072.story

He does owe the Ducks a reason. It is a ******* move. Schultz tells the Ducks he will be there in March and then decides to go free agent. If a player pulled that on the Rangers,......................

Newport Sports has not been able to reach an agreement with the Oilers for Ryan Smyth. When Smyth was traded in 2007,the Oilers tried to re-sign Smyth that summer. Newport Sports hung up the phone.
I'd guess his agent pressured him to go UFA. Kinda doubt it was tampering

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Sure, he's just a pawn of his agent. Always blame the other guy.

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I would trade Dubinsky straight up for Gardiner.
everyone would...except brian burke lol

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McKenzie just said Schultz will be a free agent tomorrow afternoon(Saturday) at 5pm. Not Monday June 25.

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For an organization that talks about earning a spot, it makes no sense to give 3M+ to a guy who hasn't played a second in the NHL.

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For an organization that talks about earning a spot, it makes no sense to give 3M+ to a guy who hasn't played a second in the NHL.
makes perfect sense. he's a projected top pairing right-handed defenseman. it's an entry-level deal. he still has to prove himself for a new contract when that ELC ends

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Most of the money will be in performance bonuses. If the bonuses hit,Schultz will be worth the money. If the bonuses aren't reached,they aren't reached.

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