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06-27-2012, 07:23 PM
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I think if Torts meets him he signs with the Rangers. Torts is a defensive specialist. Look at the players he's made spectacular.
Agreed. Sather can give him the whole new york experience shabam but Torts the the one that could really covince him that if he's ready he'll play major minutes.

Torts said one of the things they need to do this offseason was improve defensive depth, well here's the guy to do that.

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Risks are fine, but you don't shoot in the dark. Both Erixon, and Shultz are not proven players at this juncture. Sauer is injured.

The Rangers are not in a position to make a move like that right now.
And McDonough wasn't proven before he came up, and Girardi was an undrafted free agent who was unproven, and so forth. Everyone is unproven until given a chance. No one's shooting in the dark, Erixon has the talent and when he came up he definitely looked like he fit in.

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06-27-2012, 07:28 PM
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Lots of places saying otherwise but I think Schultz is our guy after this weekend.

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06-27-2012, 07:30 PM
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And McDonough wasn't proven before he came up, and Girardi was an undrafted free agent who was unproven, and so forth. Everyone is unproven until given a chance. No one's shooting in the dark, Erixon has the talent and when he came up he definitely looked like he fit in.
McD wasn't thrown into a top 4 role, he had time to develop in the AHL. He is also an elite defensemen. Girardi took years to get where he is now.

Erixon looked totally undersized when he was with us last year. He didn't look comfortable at all even in a 6 pairing role. He was getting thrown around like a rag doll.

He has the intellect to be in the NHL, but he isn't ready physically. He certainly is not ready for a top 4 role.

I'm guessing, at best, he will take at least a half season to be ready, and only as a bottom pairing role. Most likely, he plays another year in the AHL.

I am all for taking our time with our young players, I don't want to relive Mike York or Jamie Lundmark.

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06-27-2012, 07:39 PM
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Agreed. Sather can give him the whole new york experience shabam but Torts the the one that could really covince him that if he's ready he'll play major minutes.

Torts said one of the things they need to do this offseason was improve defensive depth, well here's the guy to do that.
Sounds like Schultz is an offensive Dman and playing with Staal or McDonaugh would give him a great chance in succeeding quickly.

I could also see him doing well with Erixon. Once Erixon gets bigger he is going to be a real stead Dman for this team. I imagine DZ is moved eventually if they get him though

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06-27-2012, 07:41 PM
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McD wasn't thrown into a top 4 role, he had time to develop in the AHL. He is also an elite defensemen. Girardi took years to get where he is now.

Erixon looked totally undersized when he was with us last year. He didn't look comfortable at all even in a 6 pairing role. He was getting thrown around like a rag doll.

He has the intellect to be in the NHL, but he isn't ready physically. He certainly is not ready for a top 4 role.

I'm guessing, at best, he will take at least a half season to be ready, and only as a bottom pairing role. Most likely, he plays another year in the AHL.

I am all for taking our time with our young players, I don't want to relive Mike York or Jamie Lundmark.
I'm not throwing Erixon into a top 4 role, nor would I throw Schultz into a top 4 role. After the first few games Erixon looked comfortable enough to play in the NHL to me. Clearly he was undersized, but besides that he was definitely ready to be a part of this team. Given that he has the qualities to be in the NHL, all he would need to do is bulk up. He has 4 months to work out like a maniac. I expect him to make the team out of camp this season, easily.

An extra year in the AHL? That's crazy talk.

As for Schultz, I don't think we guarantee him a spot. He has to earn it. I think has a far higher likelihood of starting in the AHL than Erixon.

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06-27-2012, 07:47 PM
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I'm not throwing Erixon into a top 4 role, nor would I throw Schultz into a top 4 role. After the first few games Erixon looked comfortable enough to play in the NHL to me. Clearly he was undersized, but besides that he was definitely ready to be a part of this team. Given that he has the qualities to be in the NHL, all he would need to do is bulk up. He has 4 months to work out like a maniac. I expect him to make the team out of camp this season, easily.

An extra year in the AHL? That's crazy talk.

As for Schultz, I don't think we guarantee him a spot. He has to earn it. I think has a far higher likelihood of starting in the AHL than Erixon.
He tried bulking up all during last season, and he wasn't ready. People put on weight, and mature at different paces. Its not crazy at all to think he might need another year to be ready.

But lets just say, hypothetically, that Erixon is ready to play in the NHL. He is going to be a third pairing Dman, in his first full year in the NHL. That is enough to replace Del Zotto who is a second pairing Dman? When we probably don't have Sauer back/Shultz is in the AHL.

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He tried bulking up all during last season, and he wasn't ready. People put on weight, and mature at different paces. Its not crazy at all to think he might need another year to be ready.
It's certainly possible that he needs another year. He's still only 21. But I'm pulling for him to win a spot out of camp...as most of us no doubt are.

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He tried bulking up all during last season, and he wasn't ready. People put on weight, and mature at different paces. Its not crazy at all to think he might need another year to be ready.

But lets just say, hypothetically, that Erixon is ready to play in the NHL. He is going to be a third pairing Dman, in his first full year in the NHL. That is enough to replace Del Zotto who is a second pairing Dman? When we probably don't have Sauer back/Shultz is in the AHL.
If it nets us a bonafide allstar for years to come? Yes. It is. We're not just throwing Del Zotto away here.

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06-27-2012, 07:56 PM
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If it nets us a bonafide allstar for years to come? Yes. It is. We're not just throwing Del Zotto away here.
Sure.

Down the road, when all of these players are ready to take Del Zotto's role. Not now. Our defensive corps is in flux at the moment. That does not change if Shultz is signed.

You get rid of Del Z right now, you have a hole in your top 4 that cannot be filled by Erixon at the moment.

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06-27-2012, 07:58 PM
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Ya, mdz would be available in a deal to net a scorer if one presented itself if we signed Schultz

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Sure.

Down the road, when all of these players are ready to take Del Zotto's role. Not now. Our defensive corps is in flux at the moment. That does not change if Shultz is signed.

You get rid of Del Z right now, you have a hole in your top 4 that cannot be filled by Erixon at the moment.
Yea, you're speaking from an idealistic standpoint. These deals don't always present themselves. If we land Schultz and find ourselves within reasonable reach to land a 40+ goal scorer (when goal scoring is something that we sorely lack) you take it with the risks associated. That's just life. You make sacrifices and take leaps of faith.

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Yea, you're speaking from an idealistic standpoint. These deals don't always present themselves. If we land Schultz and find ourselves within reasonable reach to land a 40+ goal scorer (when goal scoring is something that we sorely lack) you take it with the risks associated. That's just life. You make sacrifices and take leaps of faith.
When has this organization, in the past 5 years, made "leaps of faith" with their trades? Del Zotto, right now, is a known commodity and is a better Defensemen than Erixon/Shultz at the moment.

Btw, if your talking Ryan/Nash-Del Zotto isn't going to get it done in a trade.

You make those trades, when your in a position of strength. The Rangers are, on their way, to having a very deep defensive corps. But they aren't ready to flip players yet.

For all the Rangers know Erixon isn't ready, Shultz(if he is signed) is playing in the AHL, and Sauer is still injured. You want to talk the following season, fine.


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When has this organization, in the past 5 years, made "leaps of faith" with their trades? Del Zotto, right now, is a known commodity and is a better Defensemen than Erixon/Shultz at the moment.

Btw, if your talking Ryan/Nash-Del Zotto isn't going to get it done in a trade.
What? He's an amazing asset coveted by most likely every organization. He would clearly be a centerpiece in either trade and yes that centerpiece would definitely get it done. We would have to add more.

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The King is just as much responsible for the development of our current blueline as Tortorella is . Without him bailing them out time after time this current crew never would have progressed as fast as they have . In turn these guys now block shots like crazy for Hank . Now...if we could only get Hank to handle the puck like Marty...that would be something else !!!

The Rangers should send the King to see Schultz .

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What? He's an amazing asset coveted by most likely every organization. He would clearly be a centerpiece in either trade and yes that centerpiece would definitely get it done. We would have to add more.
Anahiem doesn't want an offensive Dman, they want a second line center and a defensive Dman for Ryan.

Columbus wants two forwards, top prospect, and a first pick.

Lets say we are talking about a 40 goal scorer from another team all together, Del Zotto isn't going to be enough. Your going to have to add more for a 40 goal scorer.

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Really want this kid but looks like canucks will get him

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Disagree. Schultz makes Del Zotto expendable because we have a direct replacement in Erixon for him. If we Del Zotto isn't moved then either he or Erixon will be forced to play a position they aren't used to and whichever one will suffer for it.
Until Schultz or Erixon prove that they can play in the NHL, they don't make anyone expendable. It's taken MDZ 3 years to reach his current level of success. Expecting a rookie to come in and provide the same production is asking for trouble.

And MDZ should only get better. It would be pointless to trade him in any case. You can never have enough dmen.

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Until Schultz or Erixon prove that they can play in the NHL, they don't make anyone expendable. It's taken MDZ 3 years to reach his current level of success. Expecting a rookie to come in and provide the same production is asking for trouble.

And MDZ should only get better. It would be pointless to trade him in any case. You can never have enough dmen.
Exactly, I still think they brought up Del Zotto too soon. The fact is the kid was thrown into a "sink or swim" approach. He is now floating. You don't get rid of a kid like that, unless you know for sure you have someone to take his place.

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Red Wings officially out of of the D Justin Schultz sweepstakes



Guys a Wings beatwriter. Excellent news.

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Guys a Wings beatwriter. Excellent news.
Hope that's true. I thought they had a really good chance to sign him.

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Guys a Wings beatwriter. Excellent news.
Doubt they mind that much. Suter is all theirs lol

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I LOVE how everyone who had "inside info" even before the kid had met with his advisers (much less teams), is now completely silent now that the process has started.

I have no idea where he's going, but my guess is that "odds are he's going to a Canadian team" comments probably came from a source inside his camp that said something along the lines of "well, we haven't finalized the list yet, but we'll probably whittle it down to 5 or 6 and I think it's safe to say that Vancouver, Edmonton and maybe Toronto will be on the list." 3 out of 5 = 60%. Okaaaaaaaaaaay, assuming that you give each of the 5-6 on the list an equal weighting (which is a stretch), sure, yeah, odds are that he's going to a Canadian city. It's not like that's inconsistent with the Rangers (or any other American team) having as good a shot as anyone.

My guess, like many others', is that it comes down to us and Vancouver - with Edmonton potentially as a wild card if he really wants to be a maverick and build his own brand.

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