I agree they have, but when the time comes there should be competition for the spots on the Isles. Not handed to them because they had a good call up the season prior.
I love Ullstrom and Cizikas but lets be real, Ullstrom put up 8 points in 29 games. He's played a good two way game but I feel over the course of a full season he might get 20 points for his rookie year due to it being his first full year in the NHL. Cizikas had 4 points in 15 games and played a good 2 way game. I see the same for him as I do Ullstrom. Now if they want to ease them in I'd be for it but that means fourth line minutes until they show they can handle that and then gradually give them more responsibility I'm ok with that. But if they hand them important minutes from the get go they'll burn out by game 40.
Guess it'll be another basement finish for this team then.
I missed Snow's quote that he's handing out spots.
In his comments,he pointed out the AHL prospects he thinks can step up to the NHL and have a major impact.
He didn't name 3 or 4 1st rounders,who his audience would probably have recognized quicker or had high expectations for.
Right because Nino certainly did not **** the bed at all this season. That's why he was with the big club instead of going down to Jrs.
You really comparing Nino's $2.7m cap hit to the $850,000 salaries of Cizikas,Ullstrom and Donovan?
Cizikas and Donovan both showed more at the NHL level then Nino did.
You don't think Cizikas and Ullstrom performed well at both the AHL and NHL level last season?I do.
Unfortunately,I think some NYI fans are so bitter at Wang and Snow,that any player signed or touted by them,gets criticized.
Every scouting report I read about Murray,said he was NHL ready.Yet, when it's pointed out that Snow may draft him and put him in the isles lineup....it's Snow rushing an ruining a prospect according to some NYI fans
That's right.MacDonald and Hamonic have both proven to be shiny turds
No kids can possibly do well in Bridgeport and come up and play well on the 3rd line or 3rd pairing.
Crew just so I understand are you saying that you think Ullstrom and Cizikas are ready for a full season after playing only 29 and 15 games respectively? I liked their games but the sample size just isn't there to be even remotely comfortable with them playing good minutes.
Ryan Murray may be considered "NHL Ready" but if drafted he still should need to earn his spot, not have it given just because he's considered an "NHL Ready" prospect.
Garth is not THAT stupid. He is going to wait and see what he has in Johan, or any prospect for that matter before he deals them. Plus just wait for this kid, he's gonna be a solid NHLer.
Crew just so I understand are you saying that you think Ullstrom and Cizikas are ready for a full season after playing only 29 and 15 games respectively? I liked their games but the sample size just isn't there to be even remotely comfortable with them playing good minutes.
Ryan Murray may be considered "NHL Ready" but if drafted he still should need to earn his spot, not have it given just because he's considered an "NHL Ready" prospect.
I'm saying that based on their strong AHL seasons and how well they played when called up to the NHL,I have no problem with either on next season's roster.
I'm not calling for them to be handed undeserved spots and I don't think that is what Snow has suggested.He's indicated he is sticking with the youth movement,to expect more kids on the roster.
So when asked about the 2012-2013 team,he pointed out he'll look for a trade,but also pointed out the prospects he thinks can have a big impact.In typical islanderfan fashion,this must mean those prospects suck and Snow/Wang are screwing fans over again.Trying to push prospects on us,when we want experienced nhlers
They are headed to the 3rd line.Fans are acting as if Snow is trying to tout Ullstrom or Cizikas as Tavares' new linemate.
Martin's played on the 3rd line and had a major impact.Why can't Cizikas and Ullstrom?
I'm not saying they can't have a major impact. But the chances of that happening are slim I feel. Not because they don't have the skill but making the full transition to NHL regular is a big step and quite honestly if they want to make that transition they are better off on the fourth line while Snow adds in some experience to round out the third line.
I'm not opposed to kids making contributions, but I want to win. I'm(like everyone else here) tired of finishing in the basement. It's gotten old and quite honestly I'm not sure I can take another season like the past 5 that we've had. I'm getting too old for this.
I'm not saying they can't have a major impact. But the chances of that happening are slim I feel. Not because they don't have the skill but making the full transition to NHL regular is a big step and quite honestly if they want to make that transition they are better off on the fourth line while Snow adds in some experience to round out the third line.
I'm not opposed to kids making contributions, but I want to win. I'm(like everyone else here) tired of finishing in the basement. It's gotten old and quite honestly I'm not sure I can take another season like the past 5 that we've had. I'm getting too old for this.
I don't see where Snow is calling for Cizikas or Ullstrom to play on the 1st or 2nd line.
I think the play of Bailey,Grabner,Nielsen and Okposo should be a bigger concern.
Not sure I get this thread... We drafted a kid, he looks like a solid prospect, I liked the way he played at the Juniors and now we've signed him.
What's all the drama about?
Can't we have at least one happy thread about good news without descending into the same ol depressing banter?
Do you seriously question why there is any hesitance to good news? Is he gonna be rushed? Are we gonna avoid needed free agents and plug in another yout' to cure cancer? Does he need time to develop and will Snow allow him that time? Is he gonna replace Nino or play on Nino's line?
I think many of our heartaches on the ice looked solid in the beginning. Mapletoft looked like a bull who could score. Nah. Nilsson was a solid skater with smarts ready to become a second line cog. Nope. Nino was ready. Garth said so. Massive hits, a burgeoning power forward with skill. Nope (not yet). Gervaise a slick defensive game in the Q but with a solid scoring punch. Nope.
Why does anyone question a prospect on LI? I can't answer that.
I hope we learned more about getting a kid to play the NHL game before throwing him in one. It kinda matters. I seen pictures.
this really seems pointless to me.
we need real NHL Talent. AKA someone with NHL Experience.
That can first be had as of July 1st. In the meantime, we get to see what draft picks get signed and which ones don't. That's part of the process for every team.
This said, don't count on much coming in during the UFA period either, although something has to be done with Staios, Eaton and Jurcina all being UFAs.
With 4 open spots on defense,we know the team will have at least 1 of those pmd from Bridgeport on the roster.If Ness or De Haan outplay Donovan,I don't expect we will see Donovan added to the roster, over that other young defenseman who's playing better.
A word of caution - no-one should let Donovan's offensive numbers fool anyone. He still has a NUMBER of defensive deficiencies that must be rectified before he's taking a regular shift in the NHL.
From what I saw live, de Haan is MILES ahead of Donovan in his all-round game and NHL readiness. Of course, he can't avoid missing half the season with injuries, but that's another topic.
This organization will not be doing itself or Donovan any favors if he's laboring up here in a third D pairing because he had some good pointage on the farm last year. Keep him down and logging heavy minutes in all situations. He's got some positioning and decision-making issues to clarify.
If the team is going to go with 'plugs-already-in-the-system', we've seen that both Ness and Katic can fill a lower line job. Of course, Snow 'n co. should be doing things like a real organization and bringing in three upgrades for the defensive unit.
Definitely one of our more underrated prospects IMO, look forward to seeing how he does at Bridgeport.
Could add to Pronman's remarks: Big body, goes hard to the net. Style of play very much like we have seen from countryman David Ullstrom in his brief appearance on teh Island and in BPort.
A word of caution - no-one should let Donovan's offensive numbers fool anyone. He still has a NUMBER of defensive deficiencies that must be rectified before he's taking a regular shift in the NHL.
From what I saw live, de Haan is MILES ahead of Donovan in his all-round game and NHL readiness. Of course, he can't avoid missing half the season with injuries, but that's another topic.
This organization will not be doing itself or Donovan any favors if he's laboring up here in a third D pairing because he had some good pointage on the farm last year. Keep him down and logging heavy minutes in all situations. He's got some positioning and decision-making issues to clarify.
If the team is going to go with 'plugs-already-in-the-system', we've seen that both Ness and Katic can fill a lower line job. Of course, Snow 'n co. should be doing things like a real organization and bringing in three upgrades for the defensive unit.
I'll believe that when I first see it.
Chapin, this is so about Donovan's shortcomings. But he is on an upward trajectory. He needs more time for his learning curve but he has the tools already in place on the offensive side of the game: skating, shot, passing. Dono is average sized, closer to an undersized defenseman, but still not well under average. He could stand a full season more in Bport, possibly even beginning the following season there, but he has the goods to be an NHL PMD and a good one.
Right because Nino certainly did not **** the bed at all this season. That's why he was with the big club instead of going down to Jrs.
You really comparing Nino's $2.7m cap hit to the $850,000 salaries of Cizikas,Ullstrom and Donovan?
Cizikas and Donovan both showed more at the NHL level then Nino did.
You don't think Cizikas and Ullstrom performed well at both the AHL and NHL level last season?I do.
Unfortunately,I think some NYI fans are so bitter at Wang and Snow,that any player signed or touted by them,gets criticized.
Every scouting report I read about Murray,said he was NHL ready.Yet, when it's pointed out that Snow may draft him and put him in the isles lineup....it's Snow rushing an ruining a prospect according to some NYI fans
That's right.MacDonald and Hamonic have both proven to be shiny turds
No kids can possibly do well in Bridgeport and come up and play well on the 3rd line or 3rd pairing.
I agree with Bruno in that I'm not confident that Ullstrom, Cizikas, Ness, Donovan and deHaan can sustain the level of play they displayed in their limited time at the pro level (either with the Isles or the Soundtigers) last year over a full season. It's certainly possible that they do, but I'm just not sure. And that's the point I'm trying to make. Every year we have to place our hopes as fans on the questionmarks that are these young players. It would be just fine if they began to integrate the younger prospects into a mix of still-capable veterans, but the fact of the matter is that there are too many questionmarks on the roster at any given time. A team can still have a youth movement without making almost the entire team consist of a roster that is either wet behind the ears or never had a chance to develop properly. At the moment, that's exactly what it looks like we're going to get in October.
Chapin, this is so about Donovan's shortcomings. But he is on an upward trajectory. He needs more time for his learning curve but he has the tools already in place on the offensive side of the game: skating, shot, passing. Dono is average sized, closer to an undersized defenseman, but still not well under average. He could stand a full season more in Bport, possibly even beginning the following season there, but he has the goods to be an NHL PMD and a good one.
Don't get me wrong... I have been well-documented around these boards as having written that I feel Donovan will be our Christian Erhoff at some point.
Where he's at right now reminds me a lot of CE at that point in time in his career.
All the more reason that I fear a fast-tracking to the NHL simply because he A) had a good rookie AHL season pointwise (which has the fans clamoring) or B) the Islanders don't want to/can't spend on adding established NHL blueliners (something management might clamor for to start things off next season).
i like that Garth praised some of the kids, stating that they expect them to make contributions this year. nothing wrong with a little pat on the back, and offering encouragement...
i like that Garth praised some of the kids, stating that they expect them to make contributions this year. nothing wrong with a little pat on the back, and offering encouragement...
Yes as long as Garth is expecting these contributions to be made in BP and not on LI i'm fine with that.
