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Sakic and Fedorov both signed them, Kesler, Vanek, Bakes, and Bernier too. Penner is the only one I remember not being matched.
The Oilers lost a number of good players to Offer sheets in the Early 90's. Adam Graves, Steven Rice, Shayne Corson, Geoff Courtnal plus they nearly had Simpson and others poached.
Maybe but Nashville only has 12 players under contract next year.
Kostitsyn brothers, Colin Wilson, Radulov, Gaustad, Tootoo, Hillen, Gill, Bouillon and Lindback are all free agents of some sort. Those guys alone will probably run them around $26 million. Then add on that Weber and Suter will be getting around $7+ if he tests the market and if Nashville wins it then they are at $33 million. They only have a remaining $5 million left to sign Weber.
Now they would obviously never sign up too many peopla nd not have room for him, but when you consider that he wants to be on a perennial contender next year and for years to come and that Nashville will likely be saying bye bye to Radulov, Andrei Kostitsyn and possibly Gaustad and Gill they will probably not be as strong next year as they were this.
The only 2 on that list likely to come back are SK and Wilson, likely at 3mil or less each.
How do you know this is true ? There might have been offer sheets extended to Doughty, Stamkos, Ryan, etc. but the players chose not to sign them for various reasons. We wouldn't know about it unless the offer sheet was signed and made public.
I read Stamkos said that there was no offer sheet but maybe I should have chosen my words better and said signed offer sheets. Which there have been hardly ever players of that level that sign offer sheets.
So out of all the elite players who have ever become RFA's, only a few have ever signed offer sheets, there is very little chance it happens here. It is entirely possible that it happens, but just going by the percentages, it is very, very unlikely.
I know people love to fantasize about signing the big RFA that could help your team immediately, but it is a dream almost certainly and if you think otherwise you are probably just going to be disappointed.
There have been 33 signed offer sheets since 1986, 3 of them were actually a trade worked out between Boston and St Louis, one was an agreed upon claim between the two teams and no compensation was ever recieved.
In the past 10 years the only players who approach elite status to sign offer sheets were Kesler and Vanek.
It is a possibilty that this year someone decides to hand out an offer sheet and an elite player decides to sign it and his original team decides not to match, it is just extremely unlikely.
If that really happened, they would probably match and trade him to somewhere else for a better return.
If you sign an offer sheet you cannot be traded for 1 year. Nashville could match but would have no way of trading him before he becomes a UFA next summer and therefore risks losing him for nothing.
That said I can't see any team risking 4 first round picks for only 1 guaranteed season of Weber.
All the talk of 1-3 year offer sheets for Weber are pointless as that is a easy call for Nashville to sign. 1 year would suck for Nashville but they still match. 3 years would be easy match. Just gives Nashville 3 more years to convince Weber to stay. Also I see no way Weber signs any offer sheet other then a 1 year deal and what ever GM signs him for that better be prepared for Nashville to pull the same crap when the time is right.
The most likely way a team acquires Shea Weber using an offer sheet is by not actually signing the offer sheet, but by using the leverage of a pending offer sheet to secure a trade.
If I were a GM interested in Weber, I'd talk to Weber on July 1 to gauge his interest in signing with my team long term. If he's willing to commit long term to my team, I'd offer him a 1 year offer sheet at say $7.7 mill. I'd also negotiate the framework of a long-term deal to be signed after that year, whether he spent it with Nashville or with my team.
Next, I'd tell him that I'm going to go to Nashville and try to make a trade happen, because I'd prefer to eliminate the possibility of not getting him until next season.
I then call up Poile and let him know that Weber has a 1 year offer sheet in front of him that he is prepared to sign today, but that I'm willing to offer him a reasonable trade before that happens.
I either get Weber through the trade, get him this year for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or sign him when he hits UFA next year knowing he can't be traded in the meantime.
Poile gets to choose between a reasonable trade offer, the picks as compensation, or renting Weber for a final year.
The most likely way a team acquires Shea Weber using an offer sheet is by not actually signing the offer sheet, but by using the leverage of a pending offer sheet to secure a trade.
If I were a GM interested in Weber, I'd talk to Weber on July 1 to gauge his interest in signing with my team long term. If he's willing to commit long term to my team, I'd offer him a 1 year offer sheet at say $7.7 mill. I'd also negotiate the framework of a long-term deal to be signed after that year, whether he spent it with Nashville or with my team.
Next, I'd tell him that I'm going to go to Nashville and try to make a trade happen, because I'd prefer to eliminate the possibility of not getting him until next season.
I then call up Poile and let him know that Weber has a 1 year offer sheet in front of him that he is prepared to sign today, but that I'm willing to offer him a reasonable trade before that happens.
I either get Weber through the trade, get him this year for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, or sign him when he hits UFA next year knowing he can't be traded in the meantime.
Poile gets to choose between a reasonable trade offer, the picks as compensation, or renting Weber for a final year.
Problem with that is if you do actually go the offer sheet router and Weber decides he does not like the city or whatever and decides he wants to test the market, then you just wasted the picks on one year of Weber. If I were a team I would not attempt to sign Weber to a 1 year offer sheet. I would wait until he hits free agency and then if he really was intent on signing with said team then they will get there guy one year later without giving up any assets. The whole thing carries alot of risk with it which is why I would stay away from a offer sheet.
Problem with that is if you do actually go the offer sheet router and Weber decides he does not like the city or whatever and decides he wants to test the market, then you just wasted the picks on one year of Weber. If I were a team I would not attempt to sign Weber to a 1 year offer sheet. I would wait until he hits free agency and then if he really was intent on signing with said team then they will get there guy one year later without giving up any assets. The whole thing carries alot of risk with it which is why I would stay away from a offer sheet.
A GM worth his salt should be able to determine through the offer sheet negotiations whether there is genuine interest in a long-term deal on Weber's part.
There's risk in every course of action, and it differs for every team. You could wait until he becomes a free agent, and then see him traded to and re-signed by a rival.
The tactic I described may work best for certain teams. Being a fan of Vancouver, I would certainly be in favor of this approach. I think there's a very reasonable likelihood that Weber would sign long term in his hometown, and I'd certainly give up significant assets to get him on our team this year.
A GM worth his salt should be able to determine through the offer sheet negotiations whether there is genuine interest in a long-term deal on Weber's part.
There's risk in every course of action, and it differs for every team. You could wait until he becomes a free agent, and then see him traded to and re-signed by a rival.
The tactic I described may work best for certain teams. Being a fan of Vancouver, I would certainly be in favor of this approach. I think there's a very reasonable likelihood that Weber would sign long term in his hometown, and I'd certainly give up significant assets to get him on our team this year.
I agree with what you are saying and for a team like Van it seems like something worth thinking about. Seeing as how Van is contending for a cup and if they lose the picks no big deal even if he does leave after the season is up.
Even $9 million is only two firsts, a second, and a third with the new higher cap, I think.
Okay, the rule was to split the total sum with in offer longer than five years. LEt's cut it for 5-year offer.
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This is totally possible. Nashville still matching it? There would be some salary pressure at the 2-3 years of that contract if the 1st year is "easy" to survive with their current cheap RFA's.
If you sign an offer sheet you cannot be traded for 1 year. Nashville could match but would have no way of trading him before he becomes a UFA next summer and therefore risks losing him for nothing.
That said I can't see any team risking 4 first round picks for only 1 guaranteed season of Weber.
Oh well. I would take the picks then and offer sheet every good player of the team that gave him a 1 year offer sheet deal.
Offer sheet is not very realistic option because I'm sure money is not the sticking point here with Weber and Nashville. If Weber wanted to play in Nashville, they would already have an extension in place. I don't see Weber's camp signing any offer sheet, other than 1 year deal that would make him UFA next summer (something Nashville probably wouldn't want).
I'm not sure if Weber has already made up his mind, or if he is waiting what happens with Suter. If Suter leaves, Weber will probably leave aswell because Nashville won't be as strong Cup contender without Suter. If they are able to sign Suter, then the money might become an issue. Also he might want out of Nashville anyway, even if they can sign Suter.
Why would Weber sign a one year offer sheet? What happens if he gets injured and he's done because of it, pretty silly to sign for that sort of money and not have something to support your family with down the line.
Why would Weber sign a one year offer sheet? What happens if he gets injured and he's done because of it, pretty silly to sign for that sort of money and not have something to support your family with down the line.
I dont see Weber signing any sort of offer sheet, whether it be 1 or 10 years.
1 year because of what you mention above and many years because he doesnt want Nash to match and be stuck there forever.
