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06-12-2012, 11:53 PM
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Craigs 2011 List: (in brackets is where they really went)

1. RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS (1)
2. JONATHAN HUBERDEAU (3)
3. GABRIEL LANDESKOG (2)
4. RYAN MURPHY (12)
5. MIKA ZIBANEJAD (6)
6. RYAN STROME (5)
7. SEAN COUTURIER (8)
8. ADAM LARSSON (4)
9. NATHAN BEAULIEU (17)
10. JONAS BRODIN (10)
11. SVEN BARTSCHI (13)
12. DOUGIE HAMILTON (9)
13. JAMIESON OLEKSIAK (14)
14. MATTHEW PUEMPEL (24)
15. ZACK PHILLIPS (28)
16. MARK SCHEIFELE (7)
17. NIKITA KUCHEROV (58)
18. PHILLIP DANAULT (26)
19. JOEL ARMIA (16)
20. TOMAS JURCO (35)
21. BRANDON SAAD (43)
22. OSCAR KLEFBLOM (19)
23. VLADISLAV NAMESTNIKOV (27)
24. RICKARD RAKELL (30)
25. JOSEPH MORROW (23)
26. CONNOR MURPHY (20)
27. JOHN GIBSON (39)
28. STUART PERCY (25)
29. TY RATTIE (32)
30. MARK MCNEILL (18)
was that his final one?

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was that his final one?
Yup, June 8th.

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Yup, June 8th.
Oh wow, I thought his top 8 was exactly as he had predicted, guess not.

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Oh wow, I thought his top 8 was exactly as he had predicted, guess not.
Here's his mock draft that he did with Pierre McGuire:

1. EDM ADAM LARSSON
2 COL RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
3 FLA GABRIEL LANDESKOG
4 NJ JONATHAN HUBERDEAU
5 NYI RYAN STROME
6 OTT SEAN COUTURIER
7 WPG DOUGIE HAMILTON
8 CLB RYAN MURPHY
9 BOS (via TOR) JONAS BRODIN
10 MIN SVEN BARTSCHI
11 COL (via STL) MIKA ZIBANEJAD
12 CAR NATHAN BEAULIEU
13 CGY ZACK PHILLIPS
14 DAL MARK SCHEIFELE
15 NYR MARK McNEILL C
16 BUF JAMIE OLEKSIAK
17 MTL BRANDON SAAD
18 CHI OSCAR KLEFBOM
19 EDM (via LAK) JOE MORROW
20 PHO MATT PUEMPEL
21 OTT (via NAS) TY RATTIE
22 ANA JOEL ARMIA
23 PIT TYLER BIGGS
24 DET CONNOR MURPHY
25 TOR (via PHI) ROCCO GRIMALDI
26 WSH RICKARD RAKELL
27 TB DUNCAN SIEMENS
28 SJ NICKLAS JENSEN
29 VAN DAVID MUSIL
30 TOR (via BOS) STUART PERCY


Not sure the exact date this was done, but it was definitely post SC finals, so I'm sure it was the last version.

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He was real close... Lol.

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1. Nail Yakupov 1 Sarnia (OHL) 10/6/93 RW L 5'11/189 42 31 38 69 +15
2. Mathew Dumba 2 Red Deer (WHL) 7/25/94 D R 5'11/183 69 20 37 57 -6
3. Morgan Rielly 3 Moose Jaw (WHL) 3/9/94 D L 6'0/190 18 3 15 18 +6
4. Alex Galchenyuk 4 Sarnia (OHL) 2/12/94 C L 6'1/197 2 0 0 0 -4
5. Teuvo Teravainen 5 Jokerit (FIN) 9/11/94 RW L 5'11/165 40 11 7 18 -5
6. Griffin Reinhart 6 Edmonton (WHL) 1/24/94 D L 6'3/202 58 12 24 36 +23
7. Filip Forsberg 7 Leksands (SWE) 8/13/94 LW R 6'2/181 53 10 10 20 +1
8. Malcolm Subban 8 Belleville (OHL) 12/21/93 G L 6'1/188 39 25 2.50 .923 3
9. Matt Finn 9 Guelph (OHL) 2/24/94 D L 6'0/195 61 10 38 48 -13
10. Hampus Lindholm 10 Rogle (SWE) 1/20/94 D L 6'2/196 36 2 7 9 +7
11. Cody Ceci 11 Ottawa (OHL 12/21/93 D R 6'2/207 64 17 43 60 +21
12. Jacob Trouba 13 USNTDP 2/26/94 D R 6'2/193 54 9 23 32 -
13. Ryan Murray 12 Everett (WHL) 9/27/93 D L 6'0/205 46 9 22 31 E
14. Mark Jankowski 14 Stanstead (Quebec Prep) 9/13/94 C L 6'2/170 57 53 40 93 +51
15. Andrei Vasilevski 15 Ufa (KHL) 7/25/94 G L 6'3/204 27 - 2.23 .931 -
16. Zemgus Girgensons 16 Dubuque (USHL) 1/5/94 C L 6'1/198 49 24 31 55 +17
17. Radek Faksa 17 Kitchener (OHL) 1/9/94 C L 6'3/202 69 29 37 66 +19
18. Derrick Pouliot 18 Portland (WHL) 1/16/94 D L 5'11/186 72 11 48 59 +15
19. Ludvig Bystrom 19 MODO (SWE) 7/20/94 D L 6'1/208 42 8 25 33 -3
20. Mikhail Grigorenko 20 Quebec (QMJHL) 5/16/94 C L 6'3/200 59 40 45 85 +35
21. Tom Wilson 21 Plymouth (OHL) 3/29/94 RW R 6'4/203 49 9 18 27 +17
22. Tomas Hertl 22 Slavia Praha (Czech) 12/11/93 C L 6'2/198 38 12 13 25 -
23. Michael Matheson 24 Dubuque (USHL) 2/27/94 D L 6'1/178 53 11 17 28 E
24. Scott Laughton 25 Oshawa (OHL) 5/30/94 C L 6'0/177 64 21 32 53 +8
25. Gemel Smith 26 Owen Sound (OHL) 4/16/94 LW L 5'10/160 68 21 39 60 E
26. Brady Skeji 27 USNTDP 3/26/94 D L 6'2/200 60 4 19 23 -
27. Sebastien Collberg 28 Frolunda (SWE) 2/23/94 RW R 5'11/176 23 9 8 17 +2
28. Olli Maatta 30 London (OHL) 8/22/94 D L 6'1/202 58 5 27 32 +25
29. Henrik Samuelsson 54 Edmonton (WHL) 2/7/94 RW R 6'2/195 28 7 16 23 +18
30. Phillip Di Giuseppe 29 Michigan (CCHA) 10/9/93 LW L 5'11/176 40 11 15 26 +23

Say what!?

2,3,5,8 are way too high and the rest far too low.

Anyone have quotes as to how he's justifying 13 and 20?

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Say what!?

2,3,5,8 are way too high and the rest far too low.

Anyone have quotes as to how he's justifying 13 and 20?
his randomness is his USP.

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his randomness is his USP.
This year is a whopper though. He's bad, but...I was actually going to gripe about Subban being left out of the first round because I immediately scanned from 10-30, didn't see him listed, glanced back up to the top 10 and was like

How do you leave out Murray and Grigs out of the top 10 and identify yourself as a sound hockey authority?

NINETEEN teams are going to pass on Grigorenko, Button!?


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I can see Grigorenko falling out of the top ten. Lot of bad press. He could be this year's Angelo Esposito. I really don't get how low he's ranked Murray.

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While I don't agree with Button, I think it's safe to say after Yakupov, there are no locks in this draft. I'm sure we'll see plenty of "reaches" according to many people come draft day.

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How many 1st. round draft eligible players were in the Memorial Cup?
Reinhart, Samuelsson, and Matta off the top of my head. Did I forget anyone? All 3 improved their draft rankings.

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My biggest fear is that the Leafs draft Ceci.

We already drafted a similar player in Percy, and he's not worth a top-5 selection in my opinion; too safe of a pick.
He was one of the players that was brought in by the Leafs for an interview or dinner. Can't recall which, but if he is like Percy with more offensive upside. Then Burke will like him since he loved Percy last year.

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Or he doesn't see the need to take a "safe" prospect, which Ceci is anything but, however, hopefully a team can alleviate us of that worry.

With guys like Bystrom and Lindholm, and Bergman's knack for finding beauties, i'd throw him a bone in the first with his choice of those two.... If we had a 2nd first rounder.

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Button does the same thing every year. He goes looking to get conversation going, and flys all over the board with his draft rankings.

let's go over why he's an idiot in this instance.

1. Murray and Trouba BEHIND Ceci? right.
2. Maata at 28... lol
3. Gemel Smith a 1st rounder?? hahaha
4. Mark Jankowski (who hasn't proven anything against real competition) where he's at?
5. Grigorenko @ 20... .bahahaha..
6. Matt Finn at 9 is lolz
7. Dumba isn't even close to the 2nd best player available....

This guy does this time and again, for the purpose of starting conversations just like this one.
Ernie, Maybe I'm wrong here but how many times have you seen these kids play? Button actually watches these kids and by all reports his wonky rankings were more accurate than most.

Most people like to point fingers because they don't jive with all the other propaganda they read on the internet. Seriously though, you think this is laughable because you read an awful lot on the internet that says otherwise. And that makes him the idiot?

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He was one of the players that was brought in by the Leafs for an interview or dinner. Can't recall which, but if he is like Percy with more offensive upside. Then Burke will like him since he loved Percy last year.
Who exactly did Burke bring in? Because I read somewhere he only brought in Gally, Faksa, and Wilson.

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Who exactly did Burke bring in? Because I read somewhere he only brought in Gally, Faksa, and Wilson.
Yes, these 3, plus Forsberg and I think Murray. I will have to retrace my notes when I get home but this sounds right.

Anyone I miss guys?

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McKeens Top 10 - Final rankings

1. Nail Yakupov RW 5-10/190 Sarnia (OHL)
2. Alex Galchenyuk C 6-0/200 Sarnia (OHL)
3. Filip Forsberg C 6-2/180 Leksands (Swe)
4. Ryan Murray D 6-0/195 Everett (WHL)
5. Teuvo Teravainen LW 5-11/165 Jokerit (Fin)
6. Mathew Dumba D 6-0/180 Red Deer (WHL)
7. Griffin Reinhart D 6-4/200 Edmonton (WHL)
8. Morgan Rielly D 5-11/190 Moose Jaw (WHL)
9. Mikhail Grigorenko C 6-3/200 Quebec (QMJHL)
10. Jacob Trouba D 6-2/195 NTDP (USA)
Of all the recent rankings this is the one I see to be the closest to how it may actually go down.

If this happens and we stay at #5 I have a hard time seeing Burkie take Teravainen but anyone 6 through 10 I could see being on his radar.

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Ernie, Maybe I'm wrong here but how many times have you seen these kids play? Button actually watches these kids and by all reports his wonky rankings were more accurate than most.

Most people like to point fingers because they don't jive with all the other propaganda they read on the internet. Seriously though, you think this is laughable because you read an awful lot on the internet that says otherwise. And that makes him the idiot?
Well, let me go over it.

Saw Maata AT LEAST 4 times this year.
I saw Ceci and Ottawa play twice this year.
I saw Gemel Smith and the Attack 3 times.
Saw Grigs once while in Quebec visiting family.
Saw Matt Finn play once in Windsor, once in London, and once in Guelph
Dumba... well, I'm with everyone else on watching tournament play, and saw him play on the tele a few times in WHL action.

Jankowski, we go based on scouts, where just about EVERYONE but Button has this guy in the second round, due to the fact that he doesn't play even close to the competition that the CHL kids play.


I watch a lot of hockey. I travel quite a bit with my own team, and I travel to tournaments when I get the chance.

When you grow up in and around the game your whole life, it's in your blood. Still being associated with the game gives me the opportunity to see junior hockey quite a bit, as you get to know people around different leagues, and there are always opportunities to get out to games.

You should take the time to get out to games MORE. Everyone should.

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Of all the recent rankings this is the one I see to be the closest to how it may actually go down.

If this happens and we stay at #5 I have a hard time seeing Burkie take Teravainen but anyone 6 through 10 I could see being on his radar.
i agree. considering the only thing the leafs need more then a center is high end talent i cant see burke not taking bpa if he stays at 5. i would prefer him to take the 2nd best defenseman then the 5-6th best forward if the draft in fact went down like yak, galy, forsberg, murray. although grigs would still be on the board. i guess we will need to see how highly they think of him?

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Ernie, Maybe I'm wrong here but how many times have you seen these kids play? Button actually watches these kids and by all reports his wonky rankings were more accurate than most.

Most people like to point fingers because they don't jive with all the other propaganda they read on the internet. Seriously though, you think this is laughable because you read an awful lot on the internet that says otherwise. And that makes him the idiot?
Or.. you know, you could try not being totally ignorant, and politely asking where someone's opinion comes from, not knowing them, and all.

But hey, this must work for you all the time. I'm sure it gets you to the front of the line all the time.

lol

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1. Nail Yakupov 1 Sarnia (OHL) 10/6/93 RW L 5'11/189 42 31 38 69 +15
2. Mathew Dumba 2 Red Deer (WHL) 7/25/94 D R 5'11/183 69 20 37 57 -6
3. Morgan Rielly 3 Moose Jaw (WHL) 3/9/94 D L 6'0/190 18 3 15 18 +6
4. Alex Galchenyuk 4 Sarnia (OHL) 2/12/94 C L 6'1/197 2 0 0 0 -4
5. Teuvo Teravainen 5 Jokerit (FIN) 9/11/94 RW L 5'11/165 40 11 7 18 -5
6. Griffin Reinhart 6 Edmonton (WHL) 1/24/94 D L 6'3/202 58 12 24 36 +23
7. Filip Forsberg 7 Leksands (SWE) 8/13/94 LW R 6'2/181 53 10 10 20 +1
8. Malcolm Subban 8 Belleville (OHL) 12/21/93 G L 6'1/188 39 25 2.50 .923 3
9. Matt Finn 9 Guelph (OHL) 2/24/94 D L 6'0/195 61 10 38 48 -13
10. Hampus Lindholm 10 Rogle (SWE) 1/20/94 D L 6'2/196 36 2 7 9 +7
11. Cody Ceci 11 Ottawa (OHL 12/21/93 D R 6'2/207 64 17 43 60 +21
12. Jacob Trouba 13 USNTDP 2/26/94 D R 6'2/193 54 9 23 32 -
13. Ryan Murray 12 Everett (WHL) 9/27/93 D L 6'0/205 46 9 22 31 E
14. Mark Jankowski 14 Stanstead (Quebec Prep) 9/13/94 C L 6'2/170 57 53 40 93 +51
15. Andrei Vasilevski 15 Ufa (KHL) 7/25/94 G L 6'3/204 27 - 2.23 .931 -
16. Zemgus Girgensons 16 Dubuque (USHL) 1/5/94 C L 6'1/198 49 24 31 55 +17
17. Radek Faksa 17 Kitchener (OHL) 1/9/94 C L 6'3/202 69 29 37 66 +19
18. Derrick Pouliot 18 Portland (WHL) 1/16/94 D L 5'11/186 72 11 48 59 +15
19. Ludvig Bystrom 19 MODO (SWE) 7/20/94 D L 6'1/208 42 8 25 33 -3
20. Mikhail Grigorenko 20 Quebec (QMJHL) 5/16/94 C L 6'3/200 59 40 45 85 +35
21. Tom Wilson 21 Plymouth (OHL) 3/29/94 RW R 6'4/203 49 9 18 27 +17
22. Tomas Hertl 22 Slavia Praha (Czech) 12/11/93 C L 6'2/198 38 12 13 25 -
23. Michael Matheson 24 Dubuque (USHL) 2/27/94 D L 6'1/178 53 11 17 28 E
24. Scott Laughton 25 Oshawa (OHL) 5/30/94 C L 6'0/177 64 21 32 53 +8
25. Gemel Smith 26 Owen Sound (OHL) 4/16/94 LW L 5'10/160 68 21 39 60 E
26. Brady Skeji 27 USNTDP 3/26/94 D L 6'2/200 60 4 19 23 -
27. Sebastien Collberg 28 Frolunda (SWE) 2/23/94 RW R 5'11/176 23 9 8 17 +2
28. Olli Maatta 30 London (OHL) 8/22/94 D L 6'1/202 58 5 27 32 +25
29. Henrik Samuelsson 54 Edmonton (WHL) 2/7/94 RW R 6'2/195 28 7 16 23 +18
30. Phillip Di Giuseppe 29 Michigan (CCHA) 10/9/93 LW L 5'11/176 40 11 15 26 +23
If these are rankings, they make some sense(minus Grigorenko at 20 AND Murray)... if they're predictions though... Teravainen on the Leafs? lol, no.


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I will guarantee my BPA list will be more correct then Button's BPA list!!!

I have NEVER been more confident my list will be better than Button's!
I guess in 20 years you can bump this thread and say "I told ya so Craig"

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If these are rankings, they make some sense(minus Grigorenko at 20)... if they're predictions though... Teravainen on the Leafs? lol, no.
His list does bring into light one thing from a Leafs perspective, if we are presented with a chance to draft Ryan Murray, do we take him or is he the #13 best pick this draft. In retrospect Schenn shouldn't have gone #5, but he did as he was considered one of the top 4 D men of the 08 draft class.

Will Leafs learn from this mistake or if a team comes calling for Dumba/Murray/Grigorenko we take their offer of picks to take players we targeted for this draft?

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Well, let me go over it.

Saw Maata AT LEAST 4 times this year.
I saw Ceci and Ottawa play twice this year.
I saw Gemel Smith and the Attack 3 times.
Saw Grigs once while in Quebec visiting family.
Saw Matt Finn play once in Windsor, once in London, and once in Guelph
Dumba... well, I'm with everyone else on watching tournament play, and saw him play on the tele a few times in WHL action.

Jankowski, we go based on scouts, where just about EVERYONE but Button has this guy in the second round, due to the fact that he doesn't play even close to the competition that the CHL kids play.


I watch a lot of hockey. I travel quite a bit with my own team, and I travel to tournaments when I get the chance.

When you grow up in and around the game your whole life, it's in your blood. Still being associated with the game gives me the opportunity to see junior hockey quite a bit, as you get to know people around different leagues, and there are always opportunities to get out to games.

You should take the time to get out to games MORE. Everyone should.
I would like to see more games but truthfully I don't have the time. I find rankings interesting -- especially this year -- since there is a wide discrepancy after #!.

Bottom line is I'm not willing to call anyone an idiot for expressing there opinion since I've seen tons of highly touted picks flop and others that were deemed misses blossom.

Everyone was scratching their head when Skinner was drafted but we all know how that turned out. Nikita Filatov was the sexy pick at the time and tons of fans were calling the Leafs idiots for passing.

Most drafts if done over 5 years later would be very different than what happened at the time and what the public thought should happen.

I'd like to take a look at Button's previous years and see how he did versus the conventional rankings. He seems to be the one that strays the most from the norm. But as we've seen the norm isn't perfect.

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Or.. you know, you could try not being totally ignorant, and politely asking where someone's opinion comes from, not knowing them, and all.

But hey, this must work for you all the time. I'm sure it gets you to the front of the line all the time.

lol
Ernie, you called the guy an idiot. I didn't call anyone an idiot. You tell me what's ignorant.

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