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06-13-2012, 03:56 PM
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Why stop there? Trade Clowe, Murray, and Niemi to CBJ for Nash. AND we still have money in the bank, tell me what ya thank.

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that's because Boston's locker room isn't ruled by Patrick Marleau with an iron fist

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06-13-2012, 04:01 PM
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Isn't Rick Nash a Right Wing? So our top line would be:

Zach Parise - Joe Thornton - Rick Nash

Three franchise forwards on a single line... oh god a boy can only dream.
No, I intentionally wanted Parise on Marleau's line so he doesn't get slowed down by Jumbo's slower transition game.

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There is a lot of stuff that goes with elite UFAs. For the most part they don't garner cups in the subsequent season. A little better success in the second season and thereafter. All GMs should approach them as a long-term rather than a short-term plan.

Second issue is that they tend to sign with a limited number of teams on the east coast, plus Chicago and Detroit. Better than 2/3 of the teams in the league have the same or more difficult problems with elite UFAs. I call BS on it being hockey decisions for those players. It is more about the market and "hockey madness" which affects the players as much as the fans. There are a lot of cups won without signing elite UFAs in their prime.
I agree with you 100%, my point is, in Sharks franchise history (cup contender or otherwise), they have never signed an elite UFA in their prime. There is no reason to think the trend will change, and it appears the media thinks that DW's trades for elite talent somehow means they are always in the running for elite UFA's, despite this stat about how many elite UFA's they have signed in franchise history.

Even Nashville signed an elite UFA who was debateably in his prime (Paul Kariya. Remember when he said he signed with Nashville because he thought that was his best chance to a win cup? I always thought that line was BS, and we don't even know if DW was interested in Kariya at the time, but I always thought that move was odd). Point is, Nashville could even sign an "elite" UFA with no connection to the Preds, but the Sharks have yet to do so.

Not saying the Sharks are the only team with the issue, but you can't help but wonder how much geography plays into it, as well as, like you said, how much of a hockey market it is. And this all goes back to my point that until the Sharks break that barrier and finally land an elite UFA in his prime, there is no reason to expect it will happen, or even dream for it.

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06-13-2012, 04:13 PM
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that's because Boston's locker room isn't ruled by Patrick Marleau with an iron fist
I want to believe this is how it went.

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06-13-2012, 04:17 PM
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The way Parise is talking, its likely he'll sign with NJ. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=634674

"In fact, Parise was asked flat out if he could see himself in another uniform, and he said no."

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can't see parise signing here. also do we really want him? we are already fwd heavy and have too many expensive fwd contracts. also nash seems much more likely.

that said, if we want to fantasize, let us fantasize about signing suter!

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06-13-2012, 04:45 PM
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can't see parise signing here. also do we really want him? we are already fwd heavy and have too many expensive fwd contracts. also nash seems much more likely.

that said, if we want to fantasize, let us fantasize about signing suter!
Yes, he's everything we would want in a forward....

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06-13-2012, 05:00 PM
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can't see parise signing here. also do we really want him? we are already fwd heavy and have too many expensive fwd contracts. also nash seems much more likely.

that said, if we want to fantasize, let us fantasize about signing suter!
I'd rather have Parise than I would Nash and his cancerous contract.

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06-13-2012, 06:53 PM
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Trade Clowe, Murray, and Niemi to CBJ for Nash
What else would the Sharks give up to make it even?

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06-13-2012, 08:14 PM
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We could still afford Boyle and then some if we go all the way up to the salary cap.


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Tommy Wingels ($0.660m) / Dominic Moore ($1.100m) / Ryane Clowe ($3.625m)
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I guess it is possible, but the Sharks will want more of a cushion then that. If they keep Boyle they may try and dump Clowe. If the moons align and Parise is acquired I think Clowe is gone no matter what


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Yeah, not gonna happen.

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Yes, he's everything we would want in a forward....
Just about... Except that he is a little on the small size and there are concerns about his knee.

Nash actually would be the safer acquisition, but I think that ship has sailed

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Just about... Except that he is a little on the small size and there are concerns about his knee.

Nash actually would be the safer acquisition, but I think that ship has sailed
Nash is a much more expensive and ****** acquisition.

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All I can say is the draft can't come soon enough. Finally finished my finals and now I'm bloody bored.

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All I can say is the draft can't come soon enough. Finally finished my finals and now I'm bloody bored.
Same.

I'm going through hockey withdrawals already.

I've already done a Be A GM on NHL 12 with every noteworthy team as well.

There's no more bullets in the gun. lol

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06-13-2012, 08:35 PM
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All I can say is the draft can't come soon enough. Finally finished my finals and now I'm bloody bored.
Lucky. Let's trade.

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Is Doug MacLean aware that the Sharks have NEVER signed an elite UFA in their prime who has no connection to the team (mostly meaning that they never previously played for us)?
In "ancient" days, the Sharks "could" not pay the top $$ to attract such players.

I do recall that Hull inquired if the Sharks would like him, and the team did not have the budget to sign him (so he went to Detroit IIRC).

DW is willing to pay players what they are worth, but not necessarily set the market value (top $$) for players, and refused to do the big salaries in the "silly season".

If a player is looking for top $$, I don't know that any player will find it with Sharks.

However, if a player wants good $$, and a great organization, with a chance to win, he'll find it in SJ.

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If a player is looking for top $$, I don't know that any player will find it with the Sharks.

However, if a player wants good $$, and a great organization, with a chance to win, he'll find it in SJ.
So I guess we won't be getting any top tier UFA's in their prime.

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In "ancient" days, the Sharks "could" not pay the top $$ to attract such players.

I do recall that Hull inquired if the Sharks would like him, and the team did not have the budget to sign him (so he went to Detroit IIRC).

DW is willing to pay players what they are worth, but not necessarily set the market value (top $$) for players, and refused to do the big salaries in the "silly season".

If a player is looking for top $$, I don't know that any player will find it with Sharks.

However, if a player wants good $$, and a great organization, with a chance to win, he'll find it in SJ.
Would DW's propensity to sign short-term contracts also scare away top UFA's?

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Same.

I'm going through hockey withdrawals already.

I've already done a Be A GM on NHL 12 with every noteworthy team as well.

There's no more bullets in the gun. lol
Basically, I hate the off-season. :/

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Lucky. Let's trade.
As long as we can trade math grades too. Otherwise you can keep your C++ programing and whatever else it was.

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Basically, I hate the off-season. :/
Other than the first week or so of free agency and the draft I agree. It's terrible


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As long as we can trade math grades too. Otherwise you can keep your C++ programing and whatever else it was.
Sure. I'll take your A's/A+'s and you can have my B+'s/A-'s in math.

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Sure. I'll take your A's/A+'s and you can have my B+'s/A-'s in math.
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Would DW's propensity to sign short-term contracts also scare away top UFA's?
3 years is short term?

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3 years is short term?
Considering contracts like Hossa's, Richards', Ehrhoff's, Kovalchuk's, Campbell's, etc...yes?

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