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06-30-2012, 01:52 PM
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The problem is, no one wants in the KHL if it is, as it is right now. They earlier negociated Oulun Kärpät to join ect, but gagarin cup is just not as big interest as traditional Canada cup is in Finland. Who wants to play against some team in close to chinas border.. wooow.. no one.


If the attitude around league is like seen in this topics russian writers, KHL probably wont ever be anything outside of russia and couple of eastern european countries. Its just a russian league with new name.

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If the attitude around league is like seen in this topics russian writers, KHL probably wont ever be anything outside of russia and couple of eastern european countries. Its just a russian league with new name.
Wut?

The KHL is already played in seven countries (Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia) which makes it by far the most internationalized hockey league in the world.

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Milan is also silly
why silly? they're already working on getting into the KHL so obviously not

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Wut?

The KHL is already played in seven countries (Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia) which makes it by far the most internationalized hockey league in the world.
sure but you need to know that for us in the west everything to the east of Poland = Russia

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06-30-2012, 05:05 PM
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sure but you need to know that for us in the west everything to the east of Poland = Russia
Fair enough, for some people in Russia too. In fact, for them everything to the east of Germany = Russia.

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why silly? they're already working on getting into the KHL so obviously not
Still silly, and unlikely to happen anyway

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why silly? they're already working on getting into the KHL so obviously not
Silly because its frickin Italy.nobody cares about hockey in italy.

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Wut?

The KHL is already played in seven countries (Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Czech Republic and Slovakia) which makes it by far the most internationalized hockey league in the world.
Not only that,but as i understand there will also be team from switzerland and germany in the upcomming years?

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Silly because its frickin Italy.nobody cares about hockey in italy.
+ nobody cares about Italy in hockey

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+ nobody cares about Italy in hockey
Just like the team close to the China's border.. Amur Habarovsk

What kind of business is that, who watches hockey in asia? Im sure they dont do good business, its somehow supported. They couldn't pay the salaries otherwise. Italy should have the same problem. And what european team wants to travel to china?


Its right there, close to china: Khabarovsk. Could as well join the NHL

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Just like the team close to the China's border.. Amur Habarovsk

What kind of business is that, who watches hockey in asia? Im sure they dont do good business, its somehow supported. They couldn't pay the salaries otherwise. Italy should have the same problem. And what european team wants to travel to china?


Its right there, close to china: Khabarovsk. Could as well join the NHL
That's supposed to be a joke, right? That's like saying Tampa Bay Lightning is playing hockey in Cuba. Everyone who is fan of Bolts is a communist.

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Just like the team close to the China's border.. Amur Habarovsk

What kind of business is that, who watches hockey in asia? Im sure they dont do good business, its somehow supported. They couldn't pay the salaries otherwise. Italy should have the same problem. And what european team wants to travel to china?


Its right there, close to china: Khabarovsk. Could as well join the NHL
LOL khabarovsk has the highest attendence in whole khl,hockey is very popular and very much liked there

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Even moreso i would say khl should inevst in Khabarovsk alot more because hockey is huge there and its always a sell-out crowd,they should definitely build a 15k+ arena in khabarovsk.

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Even moreso i would say khl should inevst in Khabarovsk alot more because hockey is huge there and its always a sell-out crowd,they should definitely build a 15k+ arena in khabarovsk.
yeap, I would say 20 000 would not be enough

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why do you think that suiss, finnish, swedish or so clubs MUST play against clubs from Novokuznetsk, Khabarovsk, Omsk etc? Why not make schedulle according to region? Only games against your neighbourg countries or with StPete and Moscow teams. All this depends on calendar and international calendar (timing of world championship).

I say, CHL (mean canadians juniors) model of schedulling in ideal one and I am sure KHL knows it. That is a reason why Medvedev said he does not want to reduce russian clubs and only add european clubs. Yes, 64 is unrealistic but if you have only cca 10 clubs from Russia you can not make Russian division.

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Hopefully this Arena Zagreb will host KHL games from 13/14 season.

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Hopefully this Arena Zagreb will host KHL games from 13/14 season.
Wow thats a cool arena

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Wow thats a cool arena
Yes it is. In 2010/2011. Medvescak played there four games all four were soldouts (15.200). During the WC in Bratislava first contacts between Medvedev and Medvescak were established. Later that summer Gojanovic (Medvescak's president) met with Medvedev at Croatian adriatic coast, where Medvedev have a house (near antic city of Dubrovnik).

In 2011/2012. Dynamo Moscow played in Zagreb friendly game against Bear's (Medvescak's nickname) for club's 50th anniversary. Last season Medvescak increased number of games in Arena Zagreb up to 7 and all seven also were soldout.

p.s. During the Dynamo Moscow-Medvescak game Medvedev said that Medvescak can join KHL for 12/13 season if they increase their budget. As money is not easy to get in these hard economic times, very possible date for our entrance in KHL is 13/14 season and there are strong rumors some new sponsors are ready to finance KHL project. With attendance there won't be a problem, Arena will be full night in and night out.



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Yes it is. In 2010/2011. Medvescak played there four games all four were soldouts (15.200). During the WC in Bratislava first contacts between Medvedev and Medvescak were established. Later that summer Gojanovic (Medvescak's president) met with Medvedev at Croatian adriatic coast, where Medvedev have a house (near antic city of Dubrovnik).

In 2011/2012. Dynamo Moscow played in Zagreb friendly game against Bear's (Medvescak's nickname) for club's 50th anniversary. Last season Medvescak increased number of games in Arena Zagreb up to 7 and all seven also were soldout.

p.s. During the Dynamo Moscow-Medvescak game Medvedev said that Medvescak can join KHL for 12/13 season if they increase their budget. As money is not easy to get in these hard economic times, very possible date for our entrance in KHL is 13/14 season and there are strong rumors some new sponsors are ready to finance KHL project. With attendance there won't be a problem, Arena will be full night in and night out.


So what about interest about hockey in general in croatia? Is it popular there?
And are you excited about khl franchise yourself?

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How on earth complete dissolution of EHT allow only two extra games to played? That simply can't be true. And more thing - why on earth the only time games happen in two consecutive days in playoffs? It's simply stupid. Do it in regular season too, it would not only allow to squeeze in more games but it would prepare players to that happening in playoffs. Following DR it's easy to see how gassed players look in playoffs in second back-to-back game. No wonder they more or less are useless in WC's later.
Vorky translated it wrong. Shalayev said that the new bigger windows for EHT did cost KHL ~2 games for each team.

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So what about interest about hockey in general in croatia? Is it popular there?
Hockey in Croatia is very centralized, because out of 4 clubs 3 are coming from Zagreb.

Medvescak were always popular in Zagreb. In '60 and '70 they were second most attended team in Zagreb after soccer club Dinamo. In begining of '80 there were decline in terms of results and fans, but after big sponsor company known as "Gortan" took the club in 1986. Medvescak had a "dynasty" winning four cups and three yugoslav titles. Dom sportova (the house of sports, ice hall where medvescak plays majority of their EBEL games) were packed and some very good players, like Steve Gatzos and Vyacheslav Anisin (russian hall of fame) played for Bears.

Big decline in popularity, affected by break of Yugoslavia leaving ice hockey in Croatia on just three teams (the fourth one from Sisak were in war zone for 5 years) and Gortan pulled from the club. Local derby between Medvescak and Hockey Club Zagreb used to draw several thousands fans, but those were exceptions. Real comeback of hockey was in 2009. when we joined EBEL. It is not weird that tickets for first game against Jesenice (old rival and slovenian powerhouse from Yugoslavia days) were sold within 30 minutes. Since then hockey is nr. one sport in Zagreb in terms of attendance, not just Zagreb but whole Croatia. After all we are 12th club in europe in attendance

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sure but you need to know that for us in the west everything to the east of Poland = Russia
Czech Republic is pretty much west!

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Hockey in Croatia is very centralized, because out of 4 clubs 3 are coming from Zagreb.

Medvescak were always popular in Zagreb. In '60 and '70 they were second most attended team in Zagreb after soccer club Dinamo. In begining of '80 there were decline in terms of results and fans, but after big sponsor company known as "Gortan" took the club in 1986. Medvescak had a "dynasty" winning four cups and three yugoslav titles. Dom sportova (the house of sports, ice hall where medvescak plays majority of their EBEL games) were packed and some very good players, like Steve Gatzos and Vyacheslav Anisin (russian hall of fame) played for Bears.

Big decline in popularity, affected by break of Yugoslavia leaving ice hockey in Croatia on just three teams (the fourth one from Sisak were in war zone for 5 years) and Gortan pulled from the club. Local derby between Medvescak and Hockey Club Zagreb used to draw several thousands fans, but those were exceptions. Real comeback of hockey was in 2009. when we joined EBEL. It is not weird that tickets for first game against Jesenice (old rival and slovenian powerhouse from Yugoslavia days) were sold within 30 minutes. Since then hockey is nr. one sport in Zagreb in terms of attendance, not just Zagreb but whole Croatia. After all we are 12th club in europe in attendance
So why croatia is still not able to get in the Elite?(World championships?)it looks like you have got all the right ingredients for beeing a great hockey country? whats the "missing piece" so to speak?

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And are you excited about khl franchise yourself?
Of course I am. There are some sceptical fans (of course I also can find some negativity in this KHL project) because they are not sure whether Medvescak will be able to find enough money for KHL season in and season out. So in case that they won't (and they will not have a backup/farm team in EBEL) we could be in position to lose KHL and EBEL and get back in "dark days" that were almost for two decades, between Gortan dynasty and joining EBEL.

That is only "real" fear of joining KHL.

Of course there are also some "minor" fears like "that KHL will kill opportunity for Croatian players to play pro league". That is half true. First of all there are very few croatian (when I write croatian mean born and at least partialy raised in croatia) players that plays for Medvescak in EBEL. Those are two fourth liners and one 7th d-man and they are close to complete non-factors in EBEL. But, we have also some nice prospects outside our borders, guys who left Croatia and went to play abroad and who could be a very good EBEL players. Yes, those guys could be losers if KHL comes to town, because they will lose chance to play pro league in their home-grown city, while they probably will be not good enough for KHL (only MAYBE Rendulic - currently on try-out with HPK in Sm-liiga).

Majority of team will be made of popular "cronucks", players with croatian origin from Canada and USA. There are lot of high AHL calibre players who are willing to come if Medvescak joins KHL. Of course there will be a lot of foreginers, but good thing for us will be that we will not have limit on foreginers.


So whole point is : I am enjoying EBEL now and crossing my fingers for KHL. It is nice to be Medvescak fan

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Of course I am. There are some sceptical fans (of course I also can find some negativity in this KHL project) because they are not sure whether Medvescak will be able to find enough money for KHL season in and season out. So in case that they won't (and they will not have a backup/farm team in EBEL) we could be in position to lose KHL and EBEL and get back in "dark days" that were almost for two decades, between Gortan dynasty and joining EBEL.

That is only "real" fear of joining KHL.

Of course there are also some "minor" fears like "that KHL will kill opportunity for Croatian players to play pro league". That is half true. First of all there are very few croatian (when I write croatian mean born and at least partialy raised in croatia) players that plays for Medvescak in EBEL. Those are two fourth liners and one 7th d-man and they are close to complete non-factors in EBEL. But, we have also some nice prospects outside our borders, guys who left Croatia and went to play abroad and who could be a very good EBEL players. Yes, those guys could be losers if KHL comes to town, because they will lose chance to play pro league in their home-grown city, while they probably will be not good enough for KHL (only MAYBE Rendulic - currently on try-out with HPK in Sm-liiga).

Majority of team will be made of popular "cronucks", players with croatian origin from Canada and USA. There are lot of high AHL calibre players who are willing to come if Medvescak joins KHL. Of course there will be a lot of foreginers, but good thing for us will be that we will not have limit on foreginers.


So whole point is : I am enjoying EBEL now and crossing my fingers for KHL. It is nice to be Medvescak fan
So do you think KHL team will help croatian hockey,especially producing some young guys who could play for croatian national team?

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