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06-13-2012, 05:31 PM
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"Cutdown" arbitration for Mason Raymond filed

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Canucks file "cutdown" arbitration on Mason Raymond. Q.O is $2.6 million. Salary can't drop more than to $2.21 million if Van wins arb case.
http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=634690

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Vancouver forward Mason Raymond has been an important part of the Canucks for five seasons and the restricted free agent will be back tormenting defences with his speed next season.

The details of his contract just may not be the same.

For the first time in team history the Canucks have activated a mechanism that exists in the collective bargaining agreement where, in lieu of tendering a qualifying offer to Raymond, the team will invoke salary arbitration to have his salary adjusted.

Laurence Gilman, Canucks VP of hockey operations & assistant general manager, said Wednesday that due to Raymond’s dip in production over the last few seasons, the club will rework his contract.

The arbitration process, which will take place in Toronto between July 20 and August 4, is no different than a player filing for salary arbitration, as Raymond did in 2010.

It’s all part of the business, said Gilman.

“This is about staying competitive in a salary cap system and it allows us to operate as efficiently as possible,” he said. “Mason is an important part of our team, one that we clearly see as part of our future going forward, if he weren’t part of the solution, we would not have tendered a qualifying offer and would have let him go as an unrestricted free agent.

“However, we felt that he can contribute on the ice and we believe that he can contribute in a manner that’s above his level of performance the last two years.”

Raymond played 55 games in 2011-12 after recovering from a fractured vertebrae suffered in the 2011 Stanley Cup Final. The forward produced 10 goals and 10 assists this past year; in 2010-11, Raymond had 15 goals and 24 helpers in 70 games. His combined point total over the last two seasons is six points more than the 53 (25-28-53) he put up in 2009-10.

Gilman has not spoken to Raymond, but he hopes that in the same way the Canucks respected Raymond’s salary arbitration two years ago, Raymond will return the favour.

“We’ve done several salary arbitrations in the last four years and they’ve all been done in a businesslike manner. The relationship between the player and the team has been as good after the fact as it was before the player invoked arbitration and I don’t see any reason why that won’t be the case here with Mason.”


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$2.21 million?

eh.....I'm not sure if the Canucks "win" if they "win".

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Never heard of this. Smart move by Gillis.

Raymond we really shouldn't be giving a raise.

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Considering David Jones got 4M x 4 I'd be ok with a ~2.2M x 2 for Raymond.

Worst case scenario he becomes an excellent luxury 4th liner like Bergenheim or we trade him in a package.

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What is a "cutdown" abitration anyway? Another Gilman salary cap move?

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My guess is that Raymond will avoid arbitration and come to terms beforehand.

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My guess is that Raymond will avoid arbitration and come to terms beforehand.
If Raymond wanted to come to terms beforehand, the Canucks wouldn't have filed an arbitration, correct?

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Lawrence "Salary Cap Magician" Gillman strikes again, lol. Never knew this existed, lol.

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If Raymond wanted to come to terms beforehand, the Canucks wouldn't have filed an arbitration, correct?
Not necessarily, it could just be a negotiating ploy.

Perhaps the Canucks offered a longer term deal at a lower cap hit (say, 3 years $6m or 2 years $4m for example) and Raymond's camp came back with something along the lines of "why don't we just go for the qualifying offer and see how Mason stacks up against the other UFAs next year?"

If the Canucks win it certainly makes the QO a lot less appealing..

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Im going to cut my legs off if hes on the team next year

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$2.21 million makes sense to keep him as depth. Still want to see an upgraded winger on Kes's right, but I'd be okay him sticking with the team as depth that price.

Also, 2.1 million makes him tradeable. At $2.6, nobody would want him.

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Im going to cut my legs off if hes on the team next year
We'll want to see pics...

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I'm not sure why they're calling it "cutdown" arbitration. It's just regular team-requested arbitration: if the player's making more than $1.5 million, you're allowed to offer as little as 85% of his previous salary.

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Sneaky move by Gilman and Co. If it gets cut, and Raymond wants to wait for next year as a UFA, why would he sign a less than 2.2 Mil deal for multiple years?

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doesn't make much of a diff

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My guess is that Raymond will avoid arbitration and come to terms beforehand.
No he won't. They want to lower his salary when his RFA rights entitle to him to more.

This is going to arbitration. I'm willing to guess he won't stick with the team long beyond that.

We're watching the final chapter of the Raymond saga.

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I'm not sure why they're calling it "cutdown" arbitration. It's just regular team-requested arbitration: if the player's making more than $1.5 million, you're allowed to offer as little as 85% of his previous salary.
Was just about to say the same thing. This is completely standard operating procedure, as the deadline for team elected arbitration for $1.5+ million players is 48 hours after the SCF ends.

I'm not sure why people are acting like this is some sneaky ploy or something, pretty much every team with RFAs does it to protect them from offer sheets. If Schneider's not signed by July 5th (the deadline for players making under $1.5 million), he'll be taken to arbitration as well.

These buzzwords that the media are using lately are kind of silly. First it was a "soft" deal for Luongo, which no one can really understand what that means, and now it's "cutdown" arbitration.

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The lower the salary, the better the trade value.

First Pyatt, now Mason... who's gonna keep our female fans happy?

Oh, right. Booth.

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No he won't. They want to lower his salary when his RFA rights entitle to him to more.

This is going to arbitration. I'm willing to guess he won't stick with the team long beyond that.

We're watching the final chapter of the Raymond saga.
Depends on what he can fetch in a trade. If Gillis was willing to throw 2 million at Sturm in the hope that he bounces back, he is also willing to throw 2.1 at Raymond in the hope that bounces back after an offseason of strength work, and increases his trade value before the deadline.

I still have a, probably naive, hope that Raymond can revert himself to his 09-10 self.

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If Raymond sees any ice time in the top 6 there will be more body parts being mailed ala Bgav.

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Not overly surprising. Curious how that will go, but talking numbers, Raymond doesn't appear to have much of a leg to stand on. The injury is certainly a factor in his performance, but production wise, a definitely unimpressive year, and regression in his play. At $2.21M though, he would be plenty decent value. Even at $2.5M he's not particularly overpaid if he can bounce back even a little bit with a full offseason of training.

iirc, the same sort of approach was taken with Steve Bernier at one point.

The interesting thing to me though, is if it's along the lines of a standard arbitration award...would this indicate Gillis isn't interested in moving Raymond this summer? If the case actually hits arbitration, Gillis wouldn't be allowed to trade Raymond for a year, would he? Or on the other hand, maybe this is just posturing and a strategic ploy to get Raymond to agree to something above the $2.21M, but less than the QO?

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Not overly surprising. Curious how that will go, but talking numbers, Raymond doesn't appear to have much of a leg to stand on. The injury is certainly a factor in his performance, but production wise, a definitely unimpressive year, and regression in his play. At $2.21M though, he would be plenty decent value. Even at $2.5M he's not particularly overpaid if he can bounce back even a little bit with a full offseason of training.

iirc, the same sort of approach was taken with Steve Bernier at one point.

The interesting thing to me though, is if it's along the lines of a standard arbitration award...would this indicate Gillis isn't interested in moving Raymond this summer? If the case actually hits arbitration, Gillis wouldn't be allowed to trade Raymond for a year, would he? Or on the other hand, maybe this is just posturing and a strategic ploy to get Raymond to agree to something above the $2.21M, but less than the QO?
Gillis can just reject the arbitrator judgement and Raymond will become a free agent.

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So is this basically all about possibly saving 400K?

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Raymond is a ufa now? sickk

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