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06-13-2012, 06:23 PM
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When PTI stars talking anything hockey I turn the channel. Take this with the tiniest grain of salt imaginable.
It was either Sports Nation or PTI that couldn't pronounce Scuderi's name lol

Still if it came out of Bettman's mouth it must be somewhat legit.

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06-13-2012, 06:23 PM
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People say it will be until the American Thanksgiving but how can they possibly know? I'd like to point out some good news. We'd have the best shot at Nate if we go all year. That's worth it IMO.
Who cares what happens to the Leafs if the league is a joke? If there is a year long lockout, my interest level will go down. It is a shame because hockey is great but if the nhl is going to do this again they can go **** themselves.


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06-13-2012, 06:24 PM
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If there's a lockout, at least Toronto ends up with Mackinnon. If the lockout is a month long, is the draft affected? I wouldn't think so...

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06-13-2012, 06:24 PM
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Possibly two lockouts within 10 years? Hopefully if it does happen it ends quickly.

Maybe the second lockout will get the Leafs into the playoffs if the first one did the opposite?

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06-13-2012, 06:26 PM
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Crap. Well if we loose another season at least that means the marlies will be pretty damn good. Hell Rico might get a good attendance all year if its the only pro hockey in town.

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06-13-2012, 06:27 PM
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If this actually does happen, it's the owners' fault. They got their deal in 2004. They then let their General Managers exploit the own rules that they made up. This is crap if true.

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06-13-2012, 06:27 PM
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I wonder how many more goals/points Jagr would have if we didn't have any lockouts (94/95, 04-05 and potentially 12/13) AND if he never left for the KHL. That's a total of 5.5 seasons. I think he would've hit 800 goals and 2,000 points.

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06-13-2012, 06:28 PM
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IF there is a lockout, can we expect another spike in overall offensive product like in 05-06? Even Alfredsson got over 100 points that year.

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06-13-2012, 06:29 PM
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If this actually does happen, it's the owner's fault. They got their deal in 2004. They then let their General Managers exploit the own rules that they made up. This is crap if true.
The world has changed since 2004.

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The world has changed since 2004.
So it is ok to have another lockout?

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06-13-2012, 06:31 PM
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Possibly two lockouts within 10 years? Hopefully if it does happen it ends quickly.

Maybe the second lockout will get the Leafs into the playoffs if the first one did the opposite?
It's even the third since 94. When did Bettman take over?

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The world has changed since 2004.
That's true, and I would have sympathy if they didn't exploit their own rules, but you can't just try to circumvent the cap that you implemented, then complain that these types of contracts are hurting the owners.

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06-13-2012, 06:33 PM
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So it is ok to have another lockout?
Yes, if the owners feel that 57% of revenues to players is to high for the majority of them to make a reasonable go of it. I would not be a fan of it but I would understand it.

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sucks if true but, how reliable is this guy

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06-13-2012, 06:34 PM
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That's true, and I would have sympathy if they didn't exploit their own rules, but you can't just try to circumvent the cap that you implemented, then complain that these types of contracts are hurting the owners.
It's the revenue split that is the biggest issue not the cap circumvention issues. Those will all be dealt with but they are not dealmaker/breaker issues.

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Maybe after this lockout, Leafs make the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. I doubt it though

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06-13-2012, 06:36 PM
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That's true, and I would have sympathy if they didn't exploit their own rules, but you can't just try to circumvent the cap that you implemented, then complain that these types of contracts are hurting the owners.
The problem is that the loophole was there and the league was powerless to stop it until the Devils took it too far with the help of the agents and the NHLPA. The majority of teams in the league did not give out cap circumvention contracts.

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06-13-2012, 06:38 PM
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Possibly two lockouts within 10 years? Hopefully if it does happen it ends quickly.

Maybe the second lockout will get the Leafs into the playoffs if the first one did the opposite?
We could make the playoffs for 50 straight years after this potential lockout but people will still be quick to point out we were the only team not to make the playoffs between the 2 lockouts.

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06-13-2012, 06:41 PM
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When PTI stars talking anything hockey I turn the channel. Take this with the tiniest grain of salt imaginable.
This. They're very good with basketball, alright with baseball, and passable with the every other sport, but Hockey is the sport that they know close to nothing about. I love the show, but they should stick to their strengths.

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06-13-2012, 06:42 PM
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If theres a lockout I will go insane, possibly start taking bath salts and eat some brains.....EFFFFFF...Its brutal that they can't come up with an agreement.

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06-13-2012, 06:50 PM
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It's the revenue split that is the biggest issue not the cap circumvention issues. Those will all be dealt with but they are not dealmaker/breaker issues.
The revenue split is due in part to teams paying certain players actual salaries of:

Kovalchuk 11.3 Mil
Richards 12 Mil
Hossa 7.9 Mil
Zetterberg 7.4 Mil
Luongo 10 Mil
Keith 8 Mil
Pronger 7.6 Mil
Lecavalier 10 Mil



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The problem is that the loophole was there and the league was powerless to stop it until the Devils took it too far with the help of the agents and the NHLPA. The majority of teams in the league did not give out cap circumvention contracts.
Not every team did it, but teams were certainly doing it before Kovalchuk. Kovalchuks contract just blew the rest out of the water.

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06-13-2012, 06:52 PM
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I'd be very disappointed with another lockout

Btw, how does lockout get us MacKinnon in '13 Draft?

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I'd be very disappointed with another lockout

Btw, how does lockout get us MacKinnon in '13 Draft?
I BELIEVE The team with the most playoff misses in a row (I think?) gets the most balls put in to the lottery.

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06-13-2012, 06:59 PM
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I watched it, and I don't recall Wilbon saying anything about Bettman saying a lockout was certain. It was during the Wordplay game, and Wilbon used the word "certain", saying owners would be certain to lockout the players. As other have said, take it with a grain of salt, because the knowledge of PTI with regards to hockey is limited.

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I'd be very disappointed with another lockout

Btw, how does lockout get us MacKinnon in '13 Draft?
The Leafs would have one of the better shots at obtaining the first pick. They would have the maximum of three balls in the lottery, as they have not made the playoffs in the past 3 years, nor have they held the first pick. A team gets subtracted one ball for each year they made the playoffs, and each year they had the first pick. All teams would have at least one ball.

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I think this may be a little posturing on Bettman's part to try to force the issues.

Most players remember the last lockout and they basically caved in on most demands however there are a lot of teams in the States on the brink and I'm not sure all would survive another lockout this year.
If Bettman would stop being such an idiot and allow teams having trouble financially to relocate to actual hockey markets as opposed to wherever the heck he thinks they could thrive, those American franchises would be a lot better off. Bettman needs to go for this league to improve.

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