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06-13-2012, 09:10 PM
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Two things, 1st if there is a lockout were very likely to get the 1st overall, 2nd, what happens with the winter classic?
We are not very likely to get 1st overall. Not even close.

They might move it up to the next year. Or they might come to an agreement before it (hopefully).

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06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
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I dismiss this on the following reasons;

1) The NHL and the NHLPA have yet to meet, let alone stop talking
2) This came from ESPN, which can't even spell NHL
3) This came from PTI, a show as useless as Off the Record
4) Wilborn is as useless as Landsberg

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06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
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We are not very likely to get 1st overall. Not even close.

They might move it up to the next year. Or they might come to an agreement before it (hopefully).
No. If they have a complete lockout, they'll do the draft the way they did it last time. teams that suck balls like the Leafs will get 3 balls, the next tier will get 2, and the next will get 1.

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06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
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Doubt Bettman said anything close to this. They haven't even started negotiations yet, the PA is probably still gathering information.

Anyway, if he did say it, then it's just posturing...there will be a ton of crap thrown back and forth for the next few months.

Wouldn't bother me if the season was shorter, I just wish they'd take it from the end of the year, get the Cup handed out in April. Mid-June is too long, IMO.

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We are not very likely to get 1st overall. Not even close.
If the season was cancelled we would actually be incredibly close to 1st overall if the lottery rules are anything like the 2005 draft

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06-13-2012, 09:15 PM
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The question I want to ask is how and where did an ESPN show got this from and if they did get it from Gary, why in the hell would he give two craps about an interview with them.

Secondly, there is absolutely no way that the lockout goes long enough to cancel the Winter Classic. IF there is a lockout, it probably will not enter into December.

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06-13-2012, 09:16 PM
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We are not very likely to get 1st overall. Not even close.

They might move it up to the next year. Or they might come to an agreement before it (hopefully).
What? If there is a full year lock-out the team with the least playoff appearances and the least 1st overall picks since the last CBA is most likely to get the 1st overall pick. Leafs have had neither, only team to have done soo.

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06-13-2012, 09:16 PM
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Why would anyone believe Bettman would say something like that?

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06-13-2012, 09:18 PM
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If the season ends up being around 40-50 games, I see that as a benefit for us. If we get of to a good start, like the past couple years, we could be in business.

Longer seasons seem to favor the really good teams generally.

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What? If there is a full year lock-out the team with the least playoff appearances and the least 1st overall picks since the last CBA is most likely to get the 1st overall pick. Leafs have had neither, only team to have done soo.
It's the last 3 years. There are multiple teams who haven't made the playoffs last 3 years in a row.

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06-13-2012, 09:20 PM
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If there's another lockout. I think I'm just about done with the NHL. I won't spend any money on their product.

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06-13-2012, 09:23 PM
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It's the last 3 years. There are multiple teams who haven't made the playoffs last 3 years in a row.
Well even if thats true, its still very good chance for Toronto

Columbus, Minne, Dallas, Calgary, Carolina and Winnipeg

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06-13-2012, 09:26 PM
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Well even if thats true, its still very good chance for Toronto

Columbus, Minne, Dallas, Calgary, Carolina and Winnipeg
Then there's teams with 2 balls and 1 ball. So really.. It's not THAT great of a chance.

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I dismiss this on the following reasons;

1) The NHL and the NHLPA have yet to meet, let alone stop talking
2) This came from ESPN, which can't even spell NHL
3) This came from PTI, a show as useless as Off the Record
4) Wilborn is as useless as Landsberg
This. I aint nervous yet.

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06-13-2012, 09:31 PM
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It was either Sports Nation or PTI that couldn't pronounce Scuderi's name lol

Still if it came out of Bettman's mouth it must be somewhat legit.
It was sportsnation; Scu-deery, Barnier, and i can't quite remember the third...but that was Colin, who i might add can't seem to understand anything other than football and some basketball. He said of Stoll's hit on Gionta " What's wrong with that? That's hockey, c'mon man they always do that." or something to that effect.

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Pardon The Interruption host Michael Wilbon reported that Gary Bettman has been confirmed saying that a lockout is certain.

If Bettman really is saying that it means they have already decided and thus the league is bargaining in bad faith.

The biggest difference this time around is that Fehr will be bargaining for the players and he is far more experienced than anyone they have had previously.

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06-13-2012, 09:41 PM
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If Bettman really is saying that it means they have already decided and thus the league is bargaining in bad faith.

The biggest difference this time around is that Fehr will be bargaining for the players and he is far more experienced than anyone they have had previously.
Wilbon knows about as much about field hockey as he does about ice hockey. He's a name dropper extraordinaire and I wouldn't abandon hope on his say-so.

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If Bettman really is saying that it means they have already decided and thus the league is bargaining in bad faith.
This is true. There is no way he said that, based on the fact that you need to be bargaining in good faith at all times. Hopefully someone closes this thread soon.

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06-13-2012, 09:43 PM
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So what? Between Bettman and Fehr, two of the most odious individuals in all of pro sports, I hope they burn the league to the ground.

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No. If they have a complete lockout, they'll do the draft the way they did it last time. teams that suck balls like the Leafs will get 3 balls, the next tier will get 2, and the next will get 1.
Why do you assume that they would do it the same way. It's not a rule written down anywhere. They'll use whatever method the parties involved in the decision think is best. I will concede that it is likely they would use the same method, but there's no guarantee. Heck, there might even be rules for such a draft included in the new CBA.

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06-13-2012, 09:47 PM
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I don't know how much weight I put into PTI when it comes to hockey, but it doesn't surprise me. Anyone who talks about the potential lock-out doesn't sound very optimistic. Hopefully it will be more like the 1994 lock-out or this year's NBA lock-out and only span a couple months instead of the entire season.

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Don't take anything anyone says on PTI seriously when it comes to hockey. They're only knowledgeable when it comes to the NBA and sometimes the NFL.

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06-13-2012, 09:53 PM
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I dismiss this on the following reasons;

1) The NHL and the NHLPA have yet to meet, let alone stop talking
2) This came from ESPN, which can't even spell NHL
3) This came from PTI, a show as useless as Off the Record
4) Wilborn is as useless as Landsberg
No truth to this report one bit. Bettman was on his usual XM radio program, and said they have yet to open dialogue. The foundation of the CBA is already there, the most difficult part has been accomplished, it will to be address a few concerns, albeit very important.

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Why do you assume that they would do it the same way. It's not a rule written down anywhere. They'll use whatever method the parties involved in the decision think is best. I will concede that it is likely they would use the same method, but there's no guarantee. Heck, there might even be rules for such a draft included in the new CBA.
I agree, last timethere was roughly 10 years between lockouts. This time 7 with it still very fresh in our minds because it was a full season and so many changes. I would expect the draft to be similar format to the other one, but I would be shocked if it was the same.

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Well even if thats true, its still very good chance for Toronto

Columbus, Minne, Dallas, Calgary, Carolina and Winnipeg
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Then there's teams with 2 balls and 1 ball. So really.. It's not THAT great of a chance.
Last lock-out, the top tier got 3 balls and overall 48 balls were placed in the lottery. Thus a 6.3% chance of winning. Seeing as we had an 8.1% chance of winning it this year, it's not great odds at all. We'd probably end up with a good pick, but the 1st overall would still be a pretty big long-shot.

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