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06-13-2012, 06:55 PM
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With Stastny, O'Reilly, Landeskog, and Kobasew our pk will be ok. I would still rather sign McClement than not but it looks like Bender was right.
Using three of your top forwards on the PK is a mistake. Especially when you're not a great offensive team to begin with.

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06-13-2012, 06:56 PM
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Pahlsson? Moore? Christensen? Konopka? Langkow? Even though Langkow's bad on FO.

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06-13-2012, 06:58 PM
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Pahlsson? Moore? Christensen? Konopka? Langkow? Even though Langkow's bad on FO.
I personally would love Pahlsson, I know he isn't as good as he was before but I think he can still be effective. I don't want Konopka or Langkow, I'm pretty sure Christensen signed with a team in Europe plus he isn't good defensively and I wouldn't mind Moore but I think he might cost a lot.

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06-13-2012, 06:59 PM
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Letting McClement go would mean O'Reilly would get more penalty kill time, so you can kiss goodbye to him breaking 50 points in a season. He wouldn't get near the same amount of powerplay time he did last year.

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06-13-2012, 06:59 PM
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Using three of your top forwards on the PK is a mistake. Especially when you're not a great offensive team to begin with.
We would be fine if Duchene and Mueller play like they are capable of.

Edit- but I do agree with what you are saying, we should sign a 4th line pk guy.

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06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
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Good. No need to overpay for a soft, fourth line center.

Yes, he's defensively aware, and yes he positions himself well, but he doesn't really bring the offense, FO ability, or physicality you really want to see from a third line center, and hell no to paying over two million for a fourth line guy. Sorry, but McClement had to go.

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06-13-2012, 07:27 PM
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We're stacked at center, so I can see why the Avs might pass on the price tag.
i agree with this we have a 3 headed monster at center and honestly on even strength jay just takes away from their ice time, sure he is a good pk'er , but we can find another one with a reasonable contract who plays less minutes, konopka would be beast.

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06-13-2012, 07:31 PM
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I love McClement, but there's a limit to what you can pay him.

That being said, the Avs don't have anyone in the system that can replace what he brings, so they better have a plan B.

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06-13-2012, 07:36 PM
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I love McClement, but there's a limit to what you can pay him.

That being said, the Avs don't have anyone in the system that can replace what he brings, so they better have a plan B.
If they are willing to part ways, I'm sure they do. He's getting a little overhyped here btw. Solid defensively and good at faceoffs, but as previously mentioned, we're stacked at center.

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06-13-2012, 07:50 PM
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We signed McLeod+Hunwick but not Jay? **** off. I would've been fine giving the combined cap hit of Hunwick and McLeod for this guy, he was a solid 3rd line option for us and these types aren't a dime a dozen unlike McLeod.

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06-13-2012, 08:01 PM
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He really isn't that good on the dot btw. he is good defensively, nothing more.

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06-13-2012, 08:05 PM
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Our PK improved vastly with him this year.

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06-13-2012, 08:10 PM
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Our PK improved vastly with him this year.
And Hejda, Varly, Giguere, etc.

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06-13-2012, 08:13 PM
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He really isn't that good on the dot btw. he is good defensively, nothing more.
I agree about the faceoffs. He's not bad but he's not that great either. Gets overrated a bit when it comes to faceoffs. McClement was at 51.3% last season and Duchene was at 51.2%. I don't think many people would be listing Duchene's ability to win faceoffs when talking about his strengths.

I still like McClement and think he does a lot of good things out there though. Like Mars said, they better have a plan B.

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06-13-2012, 08:15 PM
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Im probably not as upset as most of you on here, if its malone or olver taking the fourth line center (i think i remember DVG playing that role a 2 or three games too with dutch on the wing last year although may be wrong) It just means O'reilly drops back into a true third line center role while running the PK.... Its nice to know the PK could be set for years to come with him and stats in the dots 1-2 Put in landy and a winger to be named later It shouldn't be as much of a drop as some of you are expecting

and it doesn't even mean O'reilly will lose much ice time else wear alot of teams play top guys on the PK, Look at LA and NJ for instance hasn't really hurt them too much

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06-13-2012, 08:16 PM
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And Hejda, Varly, Giguere, etc.
Landeskog, O'Reilly getting better... Obviously Silent Jay was a big reason but some of these reactions are quite extreme. I mean he was good, great even at his role.. but like, this guy doesn't deserve over 3million IMO. We're (not targeting anyone in particular, just know that everyone isn't overly satisfied with the contract) questioning Jones at 4million who is capable of scoring 30 and compliments our former 70point centre (who I hope along with McGin can get him back to that form) yet want this guy who struggles to pot 10 but is a PK specialist. Slightly confused. If his demands are too high, good for management for sticking to their guns. I'm sure they'll grab the next best thing, if Jay does in fact not return.

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06-13-2012, 08:17 PM
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My problem is less with letting McClement go, and more about letting our McClement go. We need a "go to" defensive forward like McClement. Pahlsson and Moore would be good comparisons. We need a guy like that, not necessarily McClement. Stoll would be good, but as another poster mentioned, he'll definitely get paid come FA. I hope they look out in FA for an answer, and don't shoehorn an Olver into the role.

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06-13-2012, 08:28 PM
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Many teams use top players on the PK, and many of those still break 50 points. Kopitar, Bergeron, Brown, Kesler, etc. A good 2nd line center should be able to break 50 points and play on the PK.

There are options out there for a 4th line center. Malone (if the Avs felt he was ready) or free agents like: Konopka, Pahlsson, Moore, Fraser, Halpern, or Carter. As long as a guy is decent at faceoffs and can play on the PK, we will be okay. Mauldin and DVG haven't looked terrible in that role over the past few years.

According to TPS earlier, the Avs tried to get him back. They just must have thought he was too expensive for 12-14 minutes a night.

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06-13-2012, 08:29 PM
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McClement had played over 16 minutes a game for the three years previous to last season, where he played just 13 minutes a game.

He might not want to come back.

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06-13-2012, 08:33 PM
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Paying him anything more then 2.5 million is a mistake. Losing him hurts our pk but we can find cheaper options. Save the money for bigger things like a top flight dman.

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McClement had played over 16 minutes a game for the three years previous to last season, where he played just 13 minutes a game.

He might not want to come back.
I think this is the case, he might get a 3rd line role with more minutes somewhere else. Shame to lose arguably the biggest leader in the locker room, Avs are already without proper veteran leadership and now it's just 2 dozen young puppies and 2 veteran but silent Czech players left in the locker room.

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06-13-2012, 08:43 PM
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We're stacked at center, so I can see why the Avs might pass on the price tag.
Agreed.

Hopefully this opens up a roster spot for a younger guy.

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Agreed.

Hopefully this opens up a roster spot for a younger guy.
Who do you have in mind?

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Agreed.

Hopefully this opens up a roster spot for a younger guy.
If anything this team needs more veterans.

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McClement had played over 16 minutes a game for the three years previous to last season, where he played just 13 minutes a game.

He might not want to come back.
No doubt. He may have been a little over qualified for what we need. We need to replace him with a player that is great in the face off circle, and a good penalty killer.

Anyone think Winnik could be coming back? UFA, good PK'er.

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