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05-08-2012, 12:03 AM
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Resign jokinen!!!

After the signing of cervenka people have sort of written jokinen off, but I have no clue why. If you look at cervenka size and face-off ability, it is easy to see he would be better fit on the wing. Also flames obviously need a #1 C and although jokinen is not a #1 he is the closest thing we have. Flames fans also can't forget how much jokinen loves the flames and will prob take a discount to stay here (ALA Glencross contract) likes for next year would be:
Tanguay,cammy,iginla
Cervenka,jokinen,Glencross
Baertchi,backlund,stempniak(??)

I say if the guy likes the city so much that he takes a discount we should resign him and find away to trade stajan(who I believe has SOME value after his hot finish)
So let's say 2-4 years and 3.5-4.5 mil???

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05-08-2012, 12:16 AM
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05-08-2012, 12:30 AM
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The flames need a rebuild.



Don't sign Jokinen.


This coming from a Oilers fan who has great respect for the Flames.

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05-08-2012, 01:00 AM
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The flames need a rebuild.



Don't sign Jokinen.


This coming from a Oilers fan who has great respect for the Flames.
i kinda have a feeling this is a move of

"either he does great and blah blah blah or we end up sucking and get a top 10 pick"

either way im happy about the risk in this and im very happy were getting younger

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05-08-2012, 01:32 AM
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05-08-2012, 01:59 AM
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I don't have any problem resigning the guy, we can always move him at the deadline if the team is sputtering. So long as the cap-hit and term are reasonable, I don't see a good argument not to sign him. At worst he will be the 2nd line guy again. We would also have some options at center:

Squid,
Jokinen,
Cervenka,
Stajan,
Backlund,
Jones,
Horak

not a bad place to start.

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05-08-2012, 03:22 AM
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I don't have any problem resigning the guy, we can always move him at the deadline if the team is sputtering. So long as the cap-hit and term are reasonable, I don't see a good argument not to sign him. At worst he will be the 2nd line guy again. We would also have some options at center:

Squid,
Jokinen,
Cervenka,
Stajan,
Backlund,
Jones,
Horak

not a bad place to start.
that my train if thought, Jokinen is the best UFA center available and has performed well for us. It doesn't make sense to just give him to another team. We are clearly not going to be rebuilding so its only logical to keep him.

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05-08-2012, 05:10 AM
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I have no issue with re-signing Olli, but we shouldn't be giving him what the market will demand. No more than 2 years of NMC at 4 million per. If he wants 3 years then no NMC. I'd let him walk if he wants more. It's not that I don't like him, I think him and Glencross were our best forwards this year. I just don't trust him enough to prepare properly without the contract motivation to give him term.

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05-08-2012, 09:00 AM
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I have no issue with re-signing Olli, but we shouldn't be giving him what the market will demand. No more than 2 years of NMC at 4 million per. If he wants 3 years then no NMC. I'd let him walk if he wants more. It's not that I don't like him, I think him and Glencross were our best forwards this year. I just don't trust him enough to prepare properly without the contract motivation to give him term.
$$$$ don't bother me as we have the cap space, but definitly no more then 2 years and a list of teams he would like to be traded to.

I'd still rather use Gio/Bouw as trade bait for a player like J.Staal and then push hard for a couple of FA dmen like Wideman and Jackman. We really need a RH shot from the point.

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The flames need a rebuild.



Don't sign Jokinen.


This coming from a Oilers fan who has great respect for the Flames.
A rebuild does not mean intentionally putting together a subpar team and hoping for a high draft pick. I think letting Jokinen go now would do only that, make the team worse. Not re-signing Jokinen would be a logical rebuild move if the Flames had a glut of young centermen ready to take his place and icetime, but we all know that's not exactly the case. If Backlund, Horak and Cervenka start earning top6 icetime then Olli can go. But right now the only other top6 center is Cammalleri and he's not even a real center.

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05-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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$$$$ don't bother me as we have the cap space, but definitly no more then 2 years and a list of teams he would like to be traded to.

I'd still rather use Gio/Bouw as trade bait for a player like J.Staal and then push hard for a couple of FA dmen like Wideman and Jackman. We really need a RH shot from the point.
If we could move Gio for J.Staal, and we could guarantee signing one of Jackman or Wideman id be all for it.

That seems pretty risky to me though, not to mention if we add Staal our centers become very interesting:

Staal,
Cervenko,
Stajan,
Backlund,
Jones,
Horak.

This assuming we don't sign Jokinen, although if we get Staal I can't see us signing him.

Tanguay-Staal-Iginla
Sven-Cervenko-Squid

Good top 6, we can slot Glenny in there too for sure.

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05-08-2012, 10:50 AM
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If we could move Gio for J.Staal, and we could guarantee signing one of Jackman or Wideman id be all for it.

That seems pretty risky to me though, not to mention if we add Staal our centers become very interesting:

Staal,
Cervenko,
Stajan,
Backlund,
Jones,
Horak.

This assuming we don't sign Jokinen, although if we get Staal I can't see us signing him.

Tanguay-Staal-Iginla
Sven-Cervenko-Squid

Good top 6, we can slot Glenny in there too for sure.
I could argue that we need two strong UFA dmen if we mvoe Gio. Our backend is weak, especially if Brodie doesn't take huge strides going into next season. Hopefully Feaster and Co can bring in some strong support via FA.

If we bring in Staal, find a suitor for Stajan. It's not easy, but he is not useful in a bottom six role.

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Why resign? So our team looks the same as last year almost?

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Why resign? So our team looks the same as last year almost?
is 'worse' better than 'the same'? (just asking)

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is 'worse' better than 'the same'? (just asking)
Not usually, but how do you know losing Jokinen makes worse? What if it's addition by subtraction? Or worse temporarily makes us better long term.

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05-08-2012, 12:39 PM
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Definitely resign the Jokster. He likes playing here, he had a pretty good season and isn't going to cost us an ungodly amount. I think it would be foolish to send him packing, especially since we have no viable replacement for him.

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The only way I re-sign him is if it's a one year deal, or a two year deal for less than $3M.

It's time to move on from career losers. It's stupid to put the same team together each year and expect different results.


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As much as Olli's play pleasantly surprised me over the last two seasons, it's time to move on.
It would have been nice for Feaster to move Olli at the trade deadline for some picks or prospects, but Olli's injury prevented a good return.

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Not usually, but how do you know losing Jokinen makes worse? What if it's addition by subtraction? Or worse temporarily makes us better long term.
Oilers fan, you do realize Jokinen is your #2 scorer right? The Flames don't have anyone that can step in and replace Jokinen as Calgary's #1 center. Cervenka is good, but he has done nothing to prove he can be a top 6 NHL center yet.

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If we bring him back I would like to try him on the wing. He has tried to be a shutdown player but I would prefer to let him really give it his all offensively if we bring him back I would like to see

Tangs - Cammy - Iggy
GlenX- Stajan - Jokinen
Sven - Backlund - Cervenka (high skilled player to play with Sven)
Bouma - Jones - Aliu/Jackman

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As much as Olli's play pleasantly surprised me over the last two seasons, it's time to move on.
It would have been nice for Feaster to move Olli at the trade deadline for some picks or prospects, but Olli's injury prevented a good return.
Actually his NTC prevented a good return, as he made it clear he wasn't going anywhere.

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I don't have any problem resigning the guy, we can always move him at the deadline if the team is sputtering. So long as the cap-hit and term are reasonable, I don't see a good argument not to sign him. At worst he will be the 2nd line guy again. We would also have some options at center:

Squid,
Jokinen,
Cervenka,
Stajan,
Backlund,
Jones,
Horak

not a bad place to start.
Amen, I agree with re-signing him, but his days as a 1st or 2nd liner are sooo long behind him. If Florida gets Luongo, maybe we can trade him at the deadline for a reunion!?

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I'd have to agree. Jokinen needs to resign. However if you mean re-sign, then no. We have gotten no where with him, why keep trying? We need to move on.

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Amen, I agree with re-signing him, but his days as a 1st or 2nd liner are sooo long behind him. If Florida gets Luongo, maybe we can trade him at the deadline for a reunion!?
how the **** are his days as a top 6 forward behind him? do you even watch the game?

The day that the center that finishes 19th in scoring among centermen is not a top 6 forward is the day I have an orgy with Hollywood's 100 most beautiful women

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I think that either we have to re-sign him, or we have to sign someone else, otherwise we would be horrendous down the middle.

And as for signing someone else, the options are extremely limited.

There is still the trade avenue available, but we don't have a lot of extraneous assets to throw around. Trading JBo would leave us with an AHL defense. Kipper, maybe, but then we have huge risk between the pipes.

I think we need joker for one more year (and just keep watering the crap out of Reinhart!)

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