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06-14-2012, 09:56 AM
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Thread reminds me of the Taormina and Urbom hype trains. Expectations should be tempered until he's played at least a shift in an NHL game (preseason, scrimmage, whatever)

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06-14-2012, 10:00 AM
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Gelinas reminds me of a slightly worse defensively Nik Kronwall

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06-14-2012, 10:22 AM
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Thread reminds me of the Taormina and Urbom hype trains. Expectations should be tempered until he's played at least a shift in an NHL game (preseason, scrimmage, whatever)
Well, I'd disagree on Tao as I think it is fair to say Gelinas' physical traits are considerably more encouraging than MT's who was an undrafted nearly 23 year old undersized D-man.

Urbom's hype train certainly is comparable although I'm higher on EG, personally. That said, we don't know what we have fully with either of these two guys.

I do agree, though, that expectations must be tempered. If he's *not* dangled as trade bait, I expect him to be at least another year in the A, where hopefully he continues to improve in his all-around game, since I see his offensive numbers having a bit of a regression based upon his uncharacteristically high shooting percentage this past season. I will hope for him to open some eyes, though, in pre-season and if he gets a cup of coffee next year.

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06-14-2012, 10:24 AM
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That said, I'm not sure any of our top three (four, with Urbom?) prospects has the pedigree of physicality of either of a Suter/Weber, but I've read that Gelinas has improved in that department.
Gelinas does. In the Memorial Cup thread on the prospects board a couple seasons ago, multiple neutral fans commented favourably on his physicality, and one even went so far as compare him to Pronger's nasty streak. I don't know if he's anywhere near as good as Pronger, but seeing a comparison like that made me happy.

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Very informative post. I'll remain optimistic as some of his positive traits can't be easily taught (size, skating, shot) while positioning certainly *can*. Hopefully he proves very teachable as D-men take longer to round out their pro game anyhow.
Gelinas was always a project pick. When we picked him, he was only a couple years removed from being a converted forward. He had trouble with getting beat to the outside (still does), his frame hadn't filled in (now it has), and he showed potential but not consistency on offence (recently led Albany's defence in scoring).

I'm encouraged by the fact that he improved immensely during the second half of last season in the AHL. Still a long way to go, but I do think he has a good chance of making the show eventually, when before he was a complete wild card.

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06-14-2012, 10:28 AM
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Gelinas was as soft as butter when playing in the Q. His coach called him out repeaditly for not being aggressive enough when he had 4 inches and 30 pounds on almost 80% of the entire league. My brother in law, who played with him in Saint John felt bad for Eric whenever Galland ripped him a new one either on the bench or in the locker room for letting a water bug creep up from behind to crash the crease.

He's big, but I never saw him play with that edge to his game and the Pronger thing is just absurd. One thing I'd say that compares to Pronger is his mobility as a big man and that's about it.

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06-14-2012, 10:37 AM
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When we picked him, he was only a couple years removed from being a converted forward.
I'd forgotten about that. As long as he's not the next Tyler Eckford

Am I wrong in remembering Eckford as the best defenseman we had in the pipeline at one point?

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Gelinas strikes me as overrated on these boards.

He scored a bunch of goals with an unsustainable shooting percentage last year. Maybe there's been real improvement in his game (notice that he has never a goal scorer in junior), but I'd like to see another year of good performance in the A before declaring him superior to Urbom and some of our other prospects.

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06-14-2012, 10:42 AM
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Gelinas was as soft as butter when playing in the Q. His coach called him out repeaditly for not being aggressive enough when he had 4 inches and 30 pounds on almost 80% of the entire league. My brother in law, who played with him in Saint John felt bad for Eric whenever Galland ripped him a new one either on the bench or in the locker room for letting a water bug creep up from behind to crash the crease.

He's big, but I never saw him play with that edge to his game and the Pronger thing is just absurd. One thing I'd say that compares to Pronger is his mobility as a big man and that's about it.
During the season, yes. But in the Q playoffs and the Memorial Cup, he stepped up pretty well in the physicality department.

I didn't make the Pronger comment, and I was sceptical of it too, but I figure there must be something to it when multiple neutral posters are commenting on his physicality.

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I'd forgotten about that. As long as he's not the next Tyler Eckford

Am I wrong in remembering Eckford as the best defenseman we had in the pipeline at one point?
No, he was, and that's pretty sad. Corrente was the other guy, that's why.

Shows how far we've come in the intervening years. What was once our greatest weakness in the pipeline is now unmistakably the greatest strength.

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06-14-2012, 10:45 AM
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What? Hard hitter, hell of a shot, and puts up a lot of goals. Obviously that's his highest possible ceiling, and it would be very tough to do that but I see a few similarities in their style. Although Gelinas defense leaves something to be desired.

But I guess it's alright when others call him Chris Pronger...

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He's lanky and crosschecks the **** out of people, has a big shot and can actually skate for a big man.

Pronger comparison



Does not always go for big hits. Saw one from the AHL last season that was remarked upon.

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06-14-2012, 10:49 AM
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I would have thought the main guys fighting for the 6th spot would be

Urbom
Taormina
Burlon

In that order. I put Urbom first assuming Salvador is gone and they are looking for more of a shutdown guy.

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I would have thought the main guys fighting for the 6th spot would be

Urbom
Taormina
Burlon

In that order. I put Urbom first assuming Salvador is gone and they are looking for more of a shutdown guy.
Our top six is set for next year even with Sal gone...Tallinder, Zidlicky, Volchenkov, Fayne, Greene, and Larsson.

Harrold should be brought back as the 7th. He'll compete with Urbom and co. for playing time when there are injuries.

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Our top six is set for next year even with Sal gone...Tallinder, Zidlicky, Volchenkov, Fayne, Greene, and Larsson.

Harrold should be brought back as the 7th. He'll compete with Urbom and co. for playing time when there are injuries.
That's the right mindset

Btw that may be the best defense we've had since the lockout

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What? Hard hitter, hell of a shot, and puts up a lot of goals. Obviously that's his highest possible ceiling, and it would be very tough to do that but I see a few similarities in their style. Although Gelinas defense leaves something to be desired.

But I guess it's alright when others call him Chris Pronger...
Please read my post again before putting words in my mouth. I said one poster compared one single aspect of his game to Pronger's. I even said I thought that poster was overstating it.

I'd be thrilled if he turned out to be half as good as Pronger.

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06-14-2012, 11:11 AM
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During the season, yes. But in the Q playoffs and the Memorial Cup, he stepped up pretty well in the physicality department.

I didn't make the Pronger comment, and I was sceptical of it too, but I figure there must be something to it when multiple neutral posters are commenting on his physicality.
He did step his game up in the post season but he's a little like Larsson IMO. Big tall kid that hasn't fully grown into his frame just yet, is physical at times but won't go out of his way to make a opposing player feel his wrath.

Maybe it's because he's so big that everyone is expecting those type of players to destroy everything in his path but that's rarely the case. Devotion and heart has no size, just look at little Gio throwing his weight around like he was 6"9 260

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Please read my post again before putting words in my mouth. I said one poster compared one single aspect of his game to Pronger's. I even said I thought that poster was overstating it.

I'd be thrilled if he turned out to be half as good as Pronger.
Hmm? I never said you called him Pronger, but I've seen others who have.... don't be so paranoid...

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True.

But there's no better way to describe it when a undersized player goes out of his way to look like the biggest giant on the ice.

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True.

But there's no better way to describe it when a undersized player goes out of his way to look like the biggest giant on the ice.
Courage, confidence, toughness.

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Courage, confidence, toughness.
To me, having alot of heart is a combination of all of the above. A-Train is another prime example.

Volchenkov has two of them, wouldn't be surprised , and I'll never take that away from him.

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Never super sold on Gelinas either. Hope he can continue playing like season in the coming season though. Would love a triggerman on the PP someday, that plays D.

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I watched Gelinas once this season and a few times in the memorial cup. At the memorial cup he paid 2nd fiddle to other dmen on the roster but he played very well. the points were there and he player very well on a very good team.

This year I drove down to Hamilton, ON to watch the Devils play the bulldogs. Gelinas played pretty good that game also. He elbowed some guy right in the chops, it was good to see him play with some nastiness.

As for his slow start and semi-strong finish (mid season was the strong point of his season) he was learning to be a pro and play pro hockey. I think personally he might have the highest ceiling of the Devils prospects. I personally think that Gelinas might develop into something special if he keeps up the good work on the farm or in NJ. A full season with Larry will do this kid wonders.

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Gelinas was as soft as butter when playing in the Q. His coach called him out repeaditly for not being aggressive enough when he had 4 inches and 30 pounds on almost 80% of the entire league. My brother in law, who played with him in Saint John felt bad for Eric whenever Galland ripped him a new one either on the bench or in the locker room for letting a water bug creep up from behind to crash the crease.

He's big, but I never saw him play with that edge to his game and the Pronger thing is just absurd. One thing I'd say that compares to Pronger is his mobility as a big man and that's about it.
Who is your brother in law?

I didn't watch much of the Seadogs during the season, but in the playoffs and Mem. Cup he seemed to hit a lot more and was better at pinching of forwards along the boards.

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Ahhh, the Urbom hype train was awesome. He was our big, fast #1 PMD with a rocket from the point.


Then he stepped on the ice.

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