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06-16-2012, 04:12 PM
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Mtl #3 - min #7+

This one comes with a scenario:

Edmonton and Columbus both take forwards, and they are the guys the Habs have on the top of their list (1 and 2). Murray is left on the board.

To Minnesota: 3rd overall
To Montreal: 7th overall, Charlie Coyle

Why Minnesota does this: they get the best defenceman in the draft (whoever they think it is).

Why Montreal does this: their top 2 forwards are taken, and they think there will be a good forward left at #7, as the Wild and Islanders are both likely to take defencemen at #3 and #4.

Thoughts?

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Not awful. Not sure MTL fans would love it, though.

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As a Habs fan I wouldn't do this.

I don't think Wild fans would do it either.

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Not awful. Not sure MTL fans would love it, though.
Not sure Minnesota fans will like it either.

To me the difference between 1 to 2 is much bigger then 2 to 10(especially if you want to pick defense)

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06-16-2012, 04:23 PM
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My thinking is that it could work out something like this:

Edmonton: Yakupov
Columbus: Galchenyuk
Minnesota (if trade happened): Murray
Islanders: Another d-man (Dumba, Reinhardt, etc)
Leafs: Forsberg
Anaheim: Grigorenko / Teravainen

And then the Habs are left with several options, including some really solid defencemen, and they get Coyle.

Not sure I'm convinced of the deal myself, I'm just speculating as a Habs fan into what sort of options they might have.

I think ideally I'd rather trade with Anaheim to have that choice between Grigo or Tera, but I think Anaheim wants a forward and so they'd likely take one at #3 which would wreck everything.

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06-16-2012, 04:26 PM
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Islanders: Another d-man (Dumba, Reinhardt, etc)
Leafs: Forsberg
If Forsberg is still left by time the Islanders pick, I wouldn't be surprised if the Islanders pick him. He could be the perfect winger for Tavares

As an Islanders fan my wishlist is
1a. Murray
1b. Forsberg
2. If both gone trade down(2-4 spots) and pick a defenseman(Reilly or Reinhart)

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Coyle's not going anywhere. He was a key part of the Burns trade, and he hasn't done anything to reduce his value to this team.

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Ask yourself this; if Coyle was in this draft where would he go? I would say likely based on his development since drafted he would likely go in the top 10. Therefore, the deal would really be two top 10 picks for the #3 which as a Wild fan is ridiculous to think the Wild would make this deal.

Just another fine example of the complete over value placed by some team fans upon a lottery pick.

Not sure based on how many scouts seem to really like Coyle's game and the fact I believe many publications have him rated in the top 20 prospects in hockey.

Sorry!

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06-16-2012, 04:31 PM
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A future top line player to move up 4 spots in the draft?

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My thinking is that it could work out something like this:

Edmonton: Yakupov
Columbus: Galchenyuk
Minnesota (if trade happened): Murray
Islanders: Another d-man (Dumba, Reinhardt, etc)
Leafs: Forsberg
Anaheim: Grigorenko / Teravainen

And then the Habs are left with several options, including some really solid defencemen, and they get Coyle.

Not sure I'm convinced of the deal myself, I'm just speculating as a Habs fan into what sort of options they might have.

I think ideally I'd rather trade with Anaheim to have that choice between Grigo or Tera, but I think Anaheim wants a forward and so they'd likely take one at #3 which would wreck everything.
The bolded answers the question of why the Wild would never do this. There are going to be some really solid defenseman still there at 7.

Charlie Coyle + one of Trouba, Dumba, or Reinhart > Ryan Murray

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06-16-2012, 04:42 PM
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This one comes with a scenario:

Edmonton and Columbus both take forwards, and they are the guys the Habs have on the top of their list (1 and 2). Murray is left on the board.

To Minnesota: 3rd overall
To Montreal: 7th overall, Charlie Coyle

Why Minnesota does this: they get the best defenceman in the draft (whoever they think it is).

Why Montreal does this: their top 2 forwards are taken, and they think there will be a good forward left at #7, as the Wild and Islanders are both likely to take defencemen at #3 and #4.

Thoughts?
Coyle is too much to give up for moving up from 7th to 3rd in a draft with no very clear separation in the talent level between those two picks. He's an excellent prospect, and it wouldn't be shocking if he ended up the best of the three players involved.

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Well, for me if Yakupov and Galchenyuk are gone, I'd do it. I'd feel like there wasn't going to be much difference between #3 and #7. But of course, in this kind of draft most people will have a more defined favourite than I do at #3, and probably the Habs' scouting staff is no exception. Especially when it comes to the d-men, I don't think I'd have much of a favourite at all between who is available at #3 and #7. I'd be all for scooping Coyle.

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06-16-2012, 04:59 PM
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No upside for the Wild. Wild will probably get the #2 Dman in the draft (w/ Islanders taking the 1st at the 4th overall pick).

#1 Dman - #2 Dman <<<<<<<<<<< Coyle

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Definitely. Trouba/Rielly + Coyle would probably trump Forsberg. And who knows who will fall to 7th. Obviously not a great deal for the Wild.

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Of course you'd love to rip us off and take Coyle just for us to move up 4 spots in the draft. The Wild aren't trading Coyle, end of story.

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Of course you'd love to rip us off and take Coyle just for us to move up 4 spots in the draft. The Wild aren't trading Coyle, end of story.
well I'd trade him for Subban

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This one comes with a scenario:

Edmonton and Columbus both take forwards, and they are the guys the Habs have on the top of their list (1 and 2). Murray is left on the board.

To Minnesota: 3rd overall
To Montreal: 7th overall, Charlie Coyle

Why Minnesota does this: they get the best defenceman in the draft (whoever they think it is).

Why Montreal does this: their top 2 forwards are taken, and they think there will be a good forward left at #7, as the Wild and Islanders are both likely to take defencemen at #3 and #4.

Thoughts?
Habs would definitely do it! Habs would either draft Teravainen or Grigorenko according to who was still there. Heck awhile back I was thinking about switching pick with Wild for Clutterbuck and a second rounder

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change Coyle to Foucault + 3rd, and you got a deal.

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Habs would defintely need to add. Still there is usually a big difference between #3 and #7.

#3 overall #7 overall
2009 Duchene Kadri
2008 Bogosian Colin Wilson
2007 Turris Vorachek
2006 Toews Okposo
2005 J. Johnson Skille
2004 Barker Olesz
2003 Nathan Horton Ryan Suter
2002 Bouwmeester Lupul
2001 Svitov Komisarek
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If you want a franchise player, better keep the #3 pick but Coyle is developping really well. What about #3 + #33 for #7 + Coyle.

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This one comes with a scenario:

Edmonton and Columbus both take forwards, and they are the guys the Habs have on the top of their list (1 and 2). Murray is left on the board.

To Minnesota: 3rd overall
To Montreal: 7th overall, Charlie Coyle

Why Minnesota does this: they get the best defenceman in the draft (whoever they think it is).

Why Montreal does this: their top 2 forwards are taken, and they think there will be a good forward left at #7, as the Wild and Islanders are both likely to take defencemen at #3 and #4.

Thoughts?

Not a chance from the Habs.
Habs got their eyes on one of Gal/Grig. If both are gone come the 3rd OA pick i guess we would have to pick Nail.

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change Coyle to Foucault + 3rd, and you got a deal.
No you don't.

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Let's see

To Montreal: 7th overall + Nash + Coyle + Mason
To Minnesota: 2nd Overall + Weber
To CBJ: Price + 3rd overall + ???

Minnesota gives up: Charlie Coyle, 7th overall, 3rd round pick
Minnesota receives: Yannick Weber + 2nd overall

Montreal gives up: Carey Price, Yannick Weber, and the 3rd overall
Montreal receives: Rick Nash, Steve Mason, Charlie Coyle and the 7th overall pick

Columbus Blue Jackets give up: Rick Nash, 2nd overall pick, Steve Mason
Columbus Blue Jackets receive: Carey Price, 3rd overall, and something from probably Minnesota. 3rd round pick?

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