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07-03-2012, 08:09 PM
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yup. I would be fine with that if he signs something similar with the Wild. Would prefer less years but both Suter and Parise's offers are said / rumored to be in the 12-13 year department.

Parise cap hit of 8.5 and Suter of 7 ????
People keep quoting 8.5 and upwards for Parise. The last rumored offer from the Wild was $100MM over 13 years ($7.7MM AAV).

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People keep quoting 8.5 and upwards for Parise. The last rumored offer from the Wild was $100MM over 13 years ($7.7MM AAV).
Which really isnt that bad, except maybe the term. but thats not a bad cap hit at all.

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07-03-2012, 08:24 PM
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So apparently we just signed Suter's good friend Jake Dowell to a 2-year deal. Take that, stupid Red Wings

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07-03-2012, 08:33 PM
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People keep quoting 8.5 and upwards for Parise. The last rumored offer from the Wild was $100MM over 13 years ($7.7MM AAV).
I will take that cap hit!

thanks for the info.

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Which really isnt that bad, except maybe the term. but thats not a bad cap hit at all.
First few years, not so bad. But paying and a Cap Hit of $7.7 mil for a 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 year old player?

Some would call that "Mortaging the Future."

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Wild signed Jake Dowell, Suters teammate from NTDP and UW.

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Wild signed Jake Dowell, Suters teammate from NTDP and UW.
First it's signing Torry Mitchell to make Seto happy. Now it's signing Jake Dowell to lure Suter here?

I wonder if Suter has any friends on the Nashville squad? After seven years you'd think he made a few friends there.

Dowell is a low risk signing for the bottom two lines. IMO his signing is an insignifcant footnote in the chase for Suter.

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First few years, not so bad. But paying and a Cap Hit of $7.7 mil for a 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 year old player?

Some would call that "Mortaging the Future."
How is it mortgaging the future? Thats 10years down the road. You deal with that problem when it comes.

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07-03-2012, 08:42 PM
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How is it mortgaging the future? Thats 10years down the road. You deal with that problem when it comes.
Not only that, but there's potential cap increases and retirement to consider.

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Not only that, but there's potential cap increases and retirement to consider.
The last 3 years are probably fluff years.

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First few years, not so bad. But paying and a Cap Hit of $7.7 mil for a 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 year old player?

Some would call that "Mortaging the Future."
Did you see Crosby's deal ? It will look very similar.

the first 8 years will be 9million or whatever and the last 3-4 will be $3 million. Doesn't matter because it's the cap hit we will be paying.... and there is a great chance these players do not play their entire new contracts.

It's make them a huge deal, or don't offer anything.... Which would you rather Fletcher do? He is making all the right moves, we just need to get lucky

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Wild signed Jake Dowell, Suters teammate from NTDP and UW.
whatever it takes.

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The last 3 years are probably fluff years.
Say it's a 13 year contract and he does retire at 38 (making the assumtion he is willing to retire then). You're still dealing with a $7.7 mil Cap Hit for a 35, 36, 37 year old guy.

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07-03-2012, 09:16 PM
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It's make them a huge deal, or don't offer anything.... Which would you rather Fletcher do? He is making all the right moves, we just need to get lucky
No doubt, to have any chance Fletcher had to go all in. But do we really want to invest that much for that long?

Yeah, I do hope he signs with the Wild, but I am not going to shed any tears if he doesn't.

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So apparently we just signed Suter's good friend Jake Dowell to a 2-year deal. Take that, stupid Red Wings
Who the hell is this guy anyway?

And my head is ready to explode from this.

Augh.

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07-03-2012, 09:19 PM
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no one is going to retire with money on the table. even a measly $1m/year.

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no one is going to retire with money on the table. even a measly $1m/year.
Disagree, happens with some frequency even. Hell Rafalski retired last year leaving six million dollars on the table.

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No doubt, to have any chance Fletcher had to go all in. But do we really want to invest that much for that long?

Yeah, I do hope he signs with the Wild, but I am not going to shed any tears if he doesn't.
I agree I would rather see these be 6-8 year deals but there is no chance they will take them. So it is what it is, I guess

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07-03-2012, 09:31 PM
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no one is going to retire with money on the table. even a measly $1m/year.
If you just made 80+ million, you wouldn't retire if you could at an early age... Let's say they win cups with whomever they sign and have some knee issues or fill in the blank injuries... I would think leaving 5-10 million wouldn't be that big of a deal for the midwest boys

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Who the hell is this guy anyway?

And my head is ready to explode from this.

Augh.
He tried to make the powerhouse Chi teams but didn't. He was a decent Amercian prospect but hasn't been able to break through in the NHL. Had a cover story in THN about dealing with a genetic disease issue in his family, a gut wrenching story.

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Say it's a 13 year contract and he does retire at 38 (making the assumtion he is willing to retire then). You're still dealing with a $7.7 mil Cap Hit for a 35, 36, 37 year old guy.
It's this price you pay to get his services.

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i just don't get it. even if it's chump change to you, it could go toward your favorite charity or to start a foundation like the one cully runs. it's just as selfish to retire with that money on the table as it is to use it to wipe your arse.

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Disagree, happens with some frequency even. Hell Rafalski retired last year leaving six million dollars on the table.
how often does it happen without injuries being involved?

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None of us know where will even be 10 years from now, and to be honest at this point, i don't even care. Do what it takes to sign them.

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how often does it happen without injuries being involved?
How much did Lidstrom walk away from? Players dont retire because they dont want to make more money, they retire when they know its time.

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