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07-03-2012, 09:52 PM
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how often does it happen without injuries being involved?
Fairly frequently. Lidstrom just retired with an open offer for $7MM on the table. Rafalski's retirement last year was a complete surprise and not injury related. Alfredsson is expected by many to retire this year with $1MM on the table. Hell, even Lee Sweatt last year quit hockey as a 26 year old who was expected to make the 'Nucks bottom six.

It happened frequently enough with players that the league made a special rule for those 35 years and older.

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Fairly frequently. Lidstrom just retired with an open offer for $7MM on the table. Rafalski's retirement last year was a complete surprise and not injury related. Alfredsson is expected by many to retire this year with $1MM on the table. Hell, even Lee Sweatt last year quit hockey as a 26 year old who was expected to make the 'Nucks bottom six.

It happened frequently enough with players that the league made a special rule for those 35 years and older.
hmm...rafalski cited his knee injury I thought. leaving an offer on the table isn't the same thing. quitting isn't the same thing.
I still don't see it. oh sure, there's a chance, and the older you get the more the injuries bother you etc and it might not be worth dragging it out, but i don't think people walk away from a (during a) contract very often for no other reason than they don't feel like playing anymore. its certainly not anything you can count on or anything a player would own up to upon signing a ridiculous contract. Just my opinion.

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hmm...rafalski cited his knee injury I thought. leaving an offer on the table isn't the same thing. quitting isn't the same thing.
I still don't see it. oh sure, there's a chance, and the older you get the more the injuries bother you etc and it might not be worth dragging it out, but i don't think people walk away from a (during a) contract very often for no other reason than they don't feel like playing anymore. its certainly not anything you can count on or anything a player would own up to upon signing a ridiculous contract. Just my opinion.
Rafalski, Alfredsson, and Sweatt all had signed deals (albeit Alfredsson may be making a return).

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07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
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yes, i know Rafalski had a deal, but he did cite injuries. Sweat had a two year deal signed with Ottawa but retired before he started. He missed the last part of his previous year with a foot injury and wasn't qualified by the nucks...he was probably injured and couldn't fulfill the contract.

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yes, i know Rafalski had a deal, but he did cite injuries. Sweat had a two year deal signed with Ottawa but retired before he started. He missed the last part of his previous year with a foot injury and wasn't qualified by the nucks...he was probably injured and couldn't fulfill the contract.
Sweatt wasn't injured. The Rafalski retirement was 100% a surprise. These were just from last year though. There's a couple players every year who either retire despite being offered a contract (like Lidstrom last year), or give up the last year of a deal they're on.

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07-03-2012, 10:30 PM
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Sweatt wasn't injured. The Rafalski retirement was 100% a surprise. These were just from last year though. There's a couple players every year who either retire despite being offered a contract (like Lidstrom last year), or give up the last year of a deal they're on.
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...des-to-retire/

there really aren't a lot. maybe there were before the 35 year old rule was instituted, but i don't think you'll find any that don't involve injuries. Keep saying rafalskis was a surprise, but he did cite his injuries as the reason for retiring.

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And there are also guys like Nolan and Modano who don't know when to quit, who hang on to the dream too long!

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So if we need Suter to get Parise, then.......dang.....that might be a harder deal to make. Parise has a lot of ties, but Suter? This is frustrating.

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So if we need Suter to get Parise, then.......dang.....that might be a harder deal to make. Parise has a lot of ties, but Suter? This is frustrating.
I believe Suter's wife is from MN.

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07-03-2012, 10:35 PM
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and we're ... about as close to Madison?

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and we're ... about as close to Madison?
Its all coming together.

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there really aren't a lot. maybe there were before the 35 year old rule was instituted, but i don't think you'll find any that don't involve injuries. Keep saying rafalskis was a surprise, but he did cite his injuries as the reason for retiring.
Drury, Weight, Lalime, Hnidy, Brind'Amour (okay he was bought out), Laraque (also bought out), Hatcher

Those are just ones looked up at random since the 09-10 season.

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I believe Suter's wife is from MN.
Yeah, but it's still not as connected as Parise. I don't know. At this point it's one big guessing game.

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Yeah, but it's still not as connected as Parise. I don't know. At this point it's one big guessing game.
He wants a low media pressure market with a strong future in the midwest. There's not too many places to compete with...

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Drury, Weight, Lalime, Hnidy, Brind'Amour (okay he was bought out), Laraque (also bought out), Hatcher

Those are just ones looked up at random since the 09-10 season.
Hnidy retired mid-contract? Huh.

Still, i think you'd be ridiculously dumb if you inked a contract with a guy counting on his retirement.

wait...where are you getting this? hnidy had a one year with the bruins, then retired.

are you ****ing with me? i'm not looking up the rest.

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He wants a low media pressure market with a strong future in the midwest. There's not too many places to compete with...
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Maybe you missed the strong future part. Also, the Wings don't always get scrutiny, but when they do the fans are nuts, cutthroat, and make threats of physical assault.

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Hnidy retired mid-contract? Huh.

Still, i think you'd be ridiculously dumb if you inked a contract with a guy counting on his retirement.

wait...where are you getting this? hnidy had a one year with the bruins, then retired.

are you ****ing with me? i'm not looking up the rest.
He played 3 games of it and retired in October.

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Maybe you missed the strong future part. Also, the Wings don't always get scrutiny, but when they do the fans are nuts, cutthroat, and make threats of physical assault.
They are certainly unique.

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He played 3 games of it and retired in October.
are you sure he wasn't hired late in the season to a one year, played 3 regular season games and 3 playoff games. then not back.

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are you sure he wasn't hired late in the season to a one year, played 3 regular season games and 3 playoff games. then not back.
Could have been. I was comparing Wiki's list of retirements against CapGeek's contracts + last stat line.

Edit: looks like you're right on Hnidy, 3 May games plus a couple playoff contests.

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are you sure he wasn't hired late in the season to a one year, played 3 regular season games and 3 playoff games. then not back.
Think that's right. He retired after the Bruins' Stanley Cup run to become one of the radio guys for Winnipeg.

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Well, given the number of games Suter has played vs. Detroit and Chicago over the years, if he chooses to go to either, it won't be a choice made in ignorance.

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I love how some people (not people on the Wild board) are going bonkers over Detroit offering $90 million when Philly already offered over $100 million right from the get go. $90 million over 13 years is perfectly ideal for Suter, that's about a $7 million cap hit, which is about exactly what he's worth in my mind.

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