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06-15-2012, 05:12 PM
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Eric Francis on HNIC Radio: Babcock is Despised by the Players in Detroit

They replayed a segment on HNIC radio today that originally aired earlier in the week. They were talking about Calgary fans saying how Sutter is great now, but he'll be tuned out in a year.
Eric Francis said that's how it goes virtually every where. He then went on to day that Mike Babcock is *Despised* by the Red Wings players, and that maybe they've begun to tune him out.

I haven't heard a lot about how Babcock and the players get along, as our local hockey media don't dare report on such things.

My impression from afar was the Babcock had softened a bit since those early days when he put Yzerman in his place to take over the lockerroom.

Maybe not. Maybe he's still a *****, but it just isn't translating into post-season success the last couple years.


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Wouldn't surprise me if the relationship between Babcock and the players was deteriorating. I like Babcock, but he has a style that can wear thin after a while. And, if true, it would help explain how flat the team was down the stretch this year, among other issues.

On the other hand, I doubt he's despised by the players. And I doubt a departure is imminent. It's probably nothing that can't be mended in the short-term.

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What qualifications does this guy have to make such an assumption?

Sure, it's possible some of the players have begun to tune Babs out. I don't think that would be the case with the younger players. I wonder how Lidstrom's departure will affect players listening to coach. I thought that's why Babs brought in young assistants, to bring a fresh perspective. Seems like it just messed up our PP.

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Remember in 2007 when Andy Strickland reported the same thing and that the players were rallying against Babcock with Lidstrom leading the charge? Then they went on to the win a Stanley Cup and lose in the Finals in consecutive years.

I don't think the players despise Mike Babcock.


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Not sure. Obviously, he's a working member of the hockey media so he has connections. I'd put weight on anything he said about Calgary or Edmonton. But I don't know how well he knows Detroit.
Detroit's management has a lot of western canada connections.

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Not buying it. I'll believe the players despise Babcock when the organization parts ways with him. Any animosity existing between him and the team will easily be mended if the organization gets back to its winning ways. Failure can create tension and angst in even the best relationships.

Sign Suter and/or Parise and any suspected problems with coaching will quickly evaporate.

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Remember in 2007 when Andy Strickland reported the same thing and that the players were rallying against Babcock with Lidstrom leading the charge? Then they went on to the WCF, win a Stanley Cup, and lose in the Finals.

I don't think the players despise Mike Babcock.
Was that Strickland story 5 years ago already? Wow. And wasn't it Captain Bob who excitedly posted that story too?

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Was that Strickland story 5 years ago already? Wow. And wasn't it Captain Bob who excitedly posted that story too?
Yeah, pretty sure it was Winter '07.

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Remember in 2007 when Andy Strickland reported the same thing and that the players were rallying against Babcock with Lidstrom leading the charge? Then they went on to the WCF, win a Stanley Cup, and lose in the Finals.

I don't think the players despise Mike Babcock.
Winning fixes everything.

I certainly don't think any of the players despise Babcock. Hudler might despise him.

I have complete faith in Babcock and have no plans to side with the players when players like Franzen play like a dog.

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I guess word isn't spreading around the league that fast.

The NHLPA 2012 players poll still had 13% of respondents saying they want to play for the Wings. 2nd only to to the Blackhawks (14%). And 2% above that of 3rd place Boston.

How could the coach be despised but players want to go there? Furthermore...

WHICH COACH WOULD YOU MOST LIKE TO PLAY FOR?
Dan Bylsma Pittsburgh Penguins 21%
Joel Quenneville Chicago Blackhawks 11%
Dave Tippett Phoenix Coyotes 8%
Mike Babcock Detroit Red Wings 8%

Babs ahead of Torts and McLellan.

Players say the Wings are the 2nd more likely team they'd want to play for, and Babs is the tied for 3rd placed coach. If he's despised, the players are hiding it really, really well.

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The same is said about Scottie Bowman, Larry Brown etc..

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The same is said about Scottie Bowman, Larry Brown etc..
They say it about every hard nosed coach. Hitchcock was booted from Dallas for the same reasons. Then Tippett. Guess what's going on in Dallas? They are still scrambling to find anybody half as good as those two guys.

Torts leaves Tampa and starts the chain of success in New York.

These guys aren't easy to work for, but they get results. Smart players understand this. Brad Richards couldn't wait to leave the coaching mess in Dallas and play for a coach that demanded accountability again.

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I guess we have to convince Scotty to come back.

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The situation that makes the Wings peculiar is that it's not just a coach sticking around for a long time, 7 years now, but a group of players who for the most part have been around for a long time as well.

It wouldn't be a shock really, in fact maybe the opposite, if they were starting to grate on each other. I mean imagine you are Franzen and you've probably heard Babcock use the same motivational ploy about 80 times by now and imagine you are Babcock and have seen Franzen ignore your motivational ploys about 70 times by now as well.

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So if Babcock was LIKED would it have made this team better? Would it have made a woefully slow team faster, or a team that can't forecheck more effective at puck retrieval and tenacious along the boards? The only thing that should be despised is how tjis team has been constructed the last 2 years.Maybe they've tuned out Babcock, but that doesn't make this team any less stale or deficient in several areas.

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That should just make it easier to chase off the bad apples and get back to a crew that's got its **** together and works together to the same end.

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The same is said about Scottie Bowman, Larry Brown etc..
haha good old Scottie, man I miss
Still like Babs though.

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They say it about every hard nosed coach. Hitchcock was booted from Dallas for the same reasons. Then Tippett. Guess what's going on in Dallas? They are still scrambling to find anybody half as good as those two guys.

Torts leaves Tampa and starts the chain of success in New York.

These guys aren't easy to work for, but they get results. Smart players understand this. Brad Richards couldn't wait to leave the coaching mess in Dallas and play for a coach that demanded accountability again.
Good point, sir.

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The situation that makes the Wings peculiar is that it's not just a coach sticking around for a long time, 7 years now, but a group of players who for the most part have been around for a long time as well.

It wouldn't be a shock really, in fact maybe the opposite, if they were starting to grate on each other. I mean imagine you are Franzen and you've probably heard Babcock use the same motivational ploy about 80 times by now and imagine you are Babcock and have seen Franzen ignore your motivational ploys about 70 times by now as well.
But I think this is a good point too.

IIRC, Babcock himself said in some interview (must be over an year ago) that ''after a while players don't hear you saying pinch at this moment, here bring it back to the point, cut to the middle, drive to the net here or other tactical information, they just here you say bla bla blaa''. Or something along those lines.

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I think Babs has a few years left with this team at minimum. But I'm not sure having the same coach, no matter how good he is, forever is the right way to go either. But that'll likely show the next couple of years.

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The thing is, where to find a coach who knows as much about the game and coaching as Babcock and could bring better results than him?

Andrew Murray's UFA rights for Alain Vigneault?

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LOL @ People getting defensive.
I just heard it today driving home and it's the first I've heard of it, so I posted it. Thought it might be discussion worthy.

Another comment from Francis:
The consensus around the league is that the only thing Suter has left to decide is what number he'll wear for the Red Wings.

Another comment from Francis, Stellick and Co:
Francis said he'd been thinking about it and wanted the other guys' opinions about whether or not they thought the Wings might land both Parise and Suter. Both guys immediately agreed they thought it was very possible, though one guy thought the Wild might be working on something similar.

If you ask me, i think Babcock is a bit frustrated/unhappy with the Wings. Since last year, he's been kind of sticking it in Kenny's ribs about Holland's failure to get players.
I don't get to see how Babcock acts with the players. But I noticed Lidstrom didn't seem to have a lot of kind words for Babcock when he retired. But I don't know if that's anything noteworthy.

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The thing is, where to find a coach who knows as much about the game and coaching as Babcock and could bring better results than him?

Andrew Murray's UFA rights for Alain Vigneault?
Hehe. I certainly wouldn't cut ties with him unless there is a really big coaching name out there. Babcock will be an NHL coach for a long long time as long as he wants to.

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But I noticed Lidstrom didn't seem to have a lot of kind words for Babcock when he retired. But I don't know if that's anything noteworthy.
I noticed this too. He thanked Scottie and Dave Lewis a lot, but I do remember he thanked Babcock for giving him a ton of ice time

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Yeah, this isn't anything new. Everybody hates the coach. Or isn't that the old story?

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LOL @ People getting defensive.
Nobody is getting defensive. People just don't buy it, given all the supplementary evidence we have. People not believing the rumor monger is part of the "discussion" you wanted to prompt.

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