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06-19-2012, 06:44 PM
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Don't for a second think that Erixon will hinder a trade for Bobby Ryan. If it was Dubi, Erixon, and a 1st, it's getting done.
Erixon scares off teams. He forced his way out of Calgary who knows how he would react to being traded.

I think its a mutual agreement, 1 side doesnt want to trade for him, one side doesn't want to trade him. If it's not a mutual agreement it should be. GMs would be stupid to try and trade for such a wild card and Sather would be stupid to include him in a trade.

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Don't for a second think that Erixon will hinder a trade for Bobby Ryan. If it was Dubi, Erixon, and a 1st, it's getting done.
Yeah. I'm sure Sather is going to screw over Jan.

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https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/s...09401223622656

So they want Kreider plus. Wonderful.
why are you so quick to assume Kreider? do they? probably. who wouldn't? I bet they would take a package around Stepan though.

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According to LeBrun the Flyers are pushing hard for Nash.

I have absolutely no idea why they would be. They should be pushing hard for defensemen.
Potential loss of Jagr.

Still makes very little sense.

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Forget about Nash, forget about everyone. Bobby Ryan is the guy to go after, especially with his contract. Yes, you part with a defenseman to do it.

Staal or Girardi, Dubinsky, 1st rd pick, and Miller or McIlrath. With his manageable contract, you're not going to find a better fit for what this team needs.

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Erixon scares off teams. He forced his way out of Calgary who knows how he would react to being traded.

I think its a mutual agreement, 1 side doesnt want to trade for him, one side doesn't want to trade him. If it's not a mutual agreement it should be. GMs would be stupid to try and trade for such a wild card and Sather would be stupid to include him in a trade.
He's signed. He isn't fleecing anyone anymore.

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Rangers are not trading Staal. There's no chance of it happening.

McDonagh and Staal are two of the league's young premiere shut down defensemen.

Not happening.

Dubinsky, Miller, Thomas, 1st

Same package that was offered for Nash.

Staal, McDonagh, Kreider, Stepan, Callahan, Girardi, Richards, Lundqvist, Gaborik are pretty much guaranteed not to be going anywhere. That's the core. Its not getting broken up.
I'm surprised you're adding Miller to the package. You speak highly of him.

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Forget about Nash, forget about everyone. Bobby Ryan is the guy to go after, especially with his contract. Yes, you part with a defenseman to do it.

Staal or Girardi, Dubinsky, 1st rd pick, and Miller or McIlrath. With his manageable contract, you're not going to find a better fit for what this team needs.
Please tell me you're joking. Staal/Girardi AND Dubinsky????? Hell no.

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Exactly who would be our 6th defenseman in that scenario? Would be a free agent. Someone not too note worthy, so I substituted his name with "Rando"
You completely missed the point.

Why would he have to be a 6th defenseman? Why would MDZ not be moved down a pair? Erixon can easily be moved over.

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When has Lebrun ever broken something/been right?
I've seen it reported all over.

Im not sure if its referencing Lebrun, but its all over.

I honestly wouldn't mind it. Let them screw up their young core.

JVR is going to be very good. Plus who ever else they would need to send to Columbus.

I still love and feel confident about the Rangers group. Tough as nails mentally, physically, and can outright frustrate any team defensively.

If we can add just a little more offense, we are in great shape.

We don't need to cave into Howson's demands.

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Forget about Nash, forget about everyone. Bobby Ryan is the guy to go after, especially with his contract. Yes, you part with a defenseman to do it.

Staal or Girardi, Dubinsky, 1st rd pick, and Miller or McIlrath. With his manageable contract, you're not going to find a better fit for what this team needs.
You would be okay with giving up one of Staal or Girardi for Ryan?

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Forget about Nash, forget about everyone. Bobby Ryan is the guy to go after, especially with his contract. Yes, you part with a defenseman to do it.

Staal or Girardi, Dubinsky, 1st rd pick, and Miller or McIlrath. With his manageable contract, you're not going to find a better fit for what this team needs.
You know I usually agree with you, but that is WAY too much.

I pause at Girardi/Staal straight up. Ryan is a talented goal scorer, but as pointed out, can disappear for long stretches of time.

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Please tell me you're joking. Staal/Girardi AND Dubinsky????? Hell no.
Not that dubinsky is such a deal breaker for me, i would like to see him included in a trade, but for what that would do to the team chemistry... it would be a downright horrendous trade.

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According to LeBrun the Flyers are pushing hard for Nash.

I have absolutely no idea why they would be. They should be pushing hard for defensemen.
Fantasy team.

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Anyone consider that one of the GMs bidding on Nash perhaps leaked the Ryan news to give Howson a jab...?
Very likely.

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1. The Rangers are not trading Staal, Girardi or Mcdonagh.
2. The Rangers are not trading Kreider.
3. The Rangers are not getting Bobby Ryan without Derek Stepan (and I would do it)

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Forget about Nash, forget about everyone. Bobby Ryan is the guy to go after, especially with his contract. Yes, you part with a defenseman to do it.

Staal or Girardi, Dubinsky, 1st rd pick, and Miller or McIlrath. With his manageable contract, you're not going to find a better fit for what this team needs.
That's too much to give up...

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Dubi, Thomas, McIlrath, 1st. NO KREIDER. ADGHSDGKFSDOKFSODIFSODIGJSO
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Rangers are not trading Staal. There's no chance of it happening.

McDonagh and Staal are two of the league's young premiere shut down defensemen.

Not happening.

Dubinsky, Miller, Thomas, 1st

Same package that was offered for Nash.

Staal, McDonagh, Kreider, Stepan, Callahan, Girardi, Richards, Lundqvist, Gaborik are pretty much guaranteed not to be going anywhere. That's the core. Its not getting broken up.
I'd be grudgingly down with either offer.

Although I wonder if we would even have to include the fourth asset. When's the last time you saw a 4-for-1 deal?

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I proposed this on the Ducks board, and alot of fans accepted it.

Stepan, Dubinsky, Prospect of their chosing, and our first round pick for Ryan.

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1. The Rangers are not trading Staal, Girardi or Mcdonagh.
2. The Rangers are not trading Kreider.
3. The Rangers are not getting Bobby Ryan without Derek Stepan (and I would do it)
Agreed.

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I proposed this on the Ducks board, and alot of fans accepted it.

Stepan, Dubinsky, Prospect of their chosing, and our first round pick for Ryan.
Prospect of their choosing as long as it is not Kreider, you mean?

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Please tell me you're joking. Staal/Girardi AND Dubinsky????? Hell no.
Agreed. The Deal needs to be centered around 1 of AA, Dubi, or Step plus prospects and picks. If they take DUbi Id give them the pick of any one of our prospects.

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I would happily give up Stepan+ for Ryan. I would just be upset because I have a Stepan jersey.

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You completely missed the point.

Why would he have to be a 6th defenseman? Why would MDZ not be moved down a pair? Erixon can easily be moved over.
Then we stunt the growth of a player who could exceed the playing ability of Del Zotto...

Erixon is also a natural left sided defenseman. He didn't look as dominant playing on the right side when he was called up as he did when he was in Hartford playing the left side.

Either way we'll have 4 question marks. MDZ could have another regression, we don't know if he'll be able to revert back to how he was in the beginning of the season. We'll then have 2 rookies, and we'll sign a free agent who's cheap.

If you're trading Staal, Suter is a necessity.

Ryan, Schultz, and Suter in 1 offseason? Unlikely that one of those 3 happens, let alone all 3.

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How about this?

Dubinsky, Miller, Erixon, and 1st for Ryan and Palmieri or 2nd round pick.

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Yeah. I'm sure Sather is going to screw over Jan.
Agreed, I jus't cant see Erixon being traded at all. I also don't think we can package together a plausable deal for for ANA to give up Ryan without giving up Stepan/McD/Kreider (which I to agree we shouldn't).

Mcilrath, Dubi, 1st, Thomas, Miller are/could be good pieces, but I don't think it's the direction ANA is heading right now, especially with some premier getting older players in Perry and Getzlaf.

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