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Suter or Schultz

View Poll Results: Suter or Schultz
Ryan Suter at $6.5 per 76 62.30%
Justin Schultz on ELC 46 37.70%
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06-17-2012, 01:58 PM
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lol so true. It's like the picture of the little girl that says...can't we have both,
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06-17-2012, 01:59 PM
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Gilroy was a hyped up Hobey Baker winner with 3 All American awards to his name. He was a bit older then Schultz when he came out, but he was madly hyped. There is no question you take the proven Suter over him, and with Komo, Connolly, etc etc off the cap in a year or so, he will not clog up your salary cap at all.
Justin Schultz started producing well offensively when he was 20 years old, then repeated that this year as a 21 yr old. Gilroy didn't break out offensively until he was what? 24? Schultz also did well in the BCHL and had a good fresman year.

With that said my vote in this poll is still Suter.

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Obviously the answer is both.

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id pick Suter only if we dump Komi and some more salary... if not than Schultz

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Gilroy was a hyped up Hobey Baker winner with 3 All American awards to his name. He was a bit older then Schultz when he came out, but he was madly hyped. There is no question you take the proven Suter over him, and with Komo, Connolly, etc etc off the cap in a year or so, he will not clog up your salary cap at all.
Gilroy, Gustavsson, Turris, Filatov, Hickey, Brunnstrom, etc etc.

There are literally countless players who were as hyped as or more than Schultz, and turned out to be nothing special at all.

Until Schultz steps onto an NHL surface, and consistently proves himself over several years, you take Suter every time. Even if Schultz has an awesome rookie year, he could regress. Very few D in the league are consistently among the top 5-10 in the league the same way Suter is, I highly highly doubt Schultz becomes that good.

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06-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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Schultz for 1 mill
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Suter for 7 mill

I take Schultz. Unless we can trade Phaneuf. Then I take Suter for sure.

Schultz's cap hit will be some where around $3 million.

But I'd still take him cause I think Suter will either be a Flyers or a Red wing.

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06-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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Suter is a proven top 10 D in the league. Schultz probably won't even become a top 20 D. He's projected as a good #2-3. Suter is a solid #1.

I think it's pretty straight forward.
Suter has Never been a #1 actually

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id pick Suter only if we dump Komi and some more salary... if not than Schultz
Letting Komisarek stop us from signing a top dman like Suter would be a huge mistake. We have Connolly, Armstrong, and Lombardi's contracts all coming off the books after the upcoming season so money is not an issue IMO.

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06-17-2012, 02:05 PM
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Suter

How is this even a question? The only problem is Suter won't sign here. Schultz might.

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06-17-2012, 02:06 PM
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These Gilroy-Schultz comparison's are tiring.

Gilroy was an undrafted UFA. Schultz was taken in the 2nd round in 08'.

Chuck Schwartz (covers the Badgers) among others like Button, Mckenzie consider him the best Wisconsin dman (in terms of overall play and potential) among them in the league right now. Ryan McDonagh is the best right now, and he's supposed to be better than him. However he won't be on the hook for 1 mil like someone said, he'll get close to the ELC limit with bonuses.

Just needed to get that off my chest lol, but the answer is Suter. Top-5 dman. He's not gonna sign here though.

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06-17-2012, 02:06 PM
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Ya there is a 0% chance he is signing here (Suter). Doesn't want to play in a Canadian market, and would also rather the western market. Schultz is more likely, but Suter is NOT coming here.

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Suter has Never been a #1 actually
Thats only because he plays on a team with Shea Weber.
Anyone thats actually watched the Preds over the past 2-3 years knows the gap between the two players is marginally slim and many Preds fans will even tell you Suter is possibly the better defensemen (Heck you can even go on this playoffs where Suter outplayed Weber).

Suter is definitely a #1 Dman and one of the 10 best defensemen in the league.

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06-17-2012, 02:11 PM
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Suter has Never been a #1 actually
Well he plays with Weber, who's arguably the best D in the league. So it's hard to displace that and be the #1.

Suter was the #1 D on the US Olympic team though, you know, the one that no-one expected to do well but came within one goal of winning the Gold Medal?

Not to mention he had a higher TOI/G than Weber for both the playoffs and regular season, and that's usually the best indicator of who your #1 D is. IMO, if you get more TOI/G than Weber, are considered to be elite defensively, and pretty good offensively, you're a solid #1 D in the NHL.

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Suter easily. He's a top 5 dman in the NHL.

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06-17-2012, 02:17 PM
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All things considered would you rather sign Ryan Suter at $6-$7 mill per or Justin Schultz on an ELC?
The Leafs have this choice to make? Wow.

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06-17-2012, 02:19 PM
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These Gilroy-Schultz comparison's are tiring.

Gilroy was an undrafted UFA. Schultz was taken in the 2nd round in 08'.

Chuck Schwartz (covers the Badgers) among others like Button, Mckenzie consider him the best Wisconsin dman (in terms of overall play and potential) among them in the league right now. Ryan McDonagh is the best right now, and he's supposed to be better than him. However he won't be on the hook for 1 mil like someone said, he'll get close to the ELC limit with bonuses.

Just needed to get that off my chest lol, but the answer is Suter. Top-5 dman. He's not gonna sign here though.
It's not about a direct comparison. It's about a player coming out of the NCAA and being hyped as all that and a bag of chips. He's got a lot to prove.

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Ya there is a 0% chance he is signing here (Suter). Doesn't want to play in a Canadian market, and would also rather the western market. Schultz is more likely, but Suter is NOT coming here.
Agreed, and we already have too much money invested in our back end, in fact a crippling amount.

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Suter has Never been a #1 actually
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

Actually, you're wrong. By TOI alone, he had the same amount of time as Weber. Or if you want to be picky... he had more.


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It's not about a direct comparison. It's about a player coming out of the NCAA and being hyped as all that and a bag of chips. He's got a lot to prove.
But you gotta look at where the hype is coming from. This isn't just a guy coming out of the NCAA. This is a guy coming out of the NCAA, who was drafted in the 2nd round, is pegged by many as basically a first rounder, and the Wisconsin coach who coached both Gardiner and Schultz is saying Schultz is the best defenseman he's ever seen come through the school.

That kind of hype isn't just the normal NCAA bag of chips hype, this is well placed hype. This isn't undrafted guy coming out of the NCAA at the age of 25 hype.

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But you gotta look at where the hype is coming from. This isn't just a guy coming out of the NCAA. This is a guy coming out of the NCAA, who was drafted in the 2nd round, is pegged by many as basically a first rounder, and the Wisconsin coach who coached both Gardiner and Schultz is saying Schultz is the best defenseman he's ever seen come through the school.

That kind of hype isn't just the normal NCAA bag of chips hype, this is well placed hype. This isn't undrafted guy coming out of the NCAA at the age of 25 hype.
But we're also comparing him to a guy who has the pedigree of the 7th overall pick in the "Best Draft Ever", and has backed it up with his play to say the least.

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But we're also comparing him to a guy who has the pedigree of the 7th overall pick in the "Best Draft Ever", and has backed it up with his play to say the least.
And that's fine. There's also been comparisons to Matt Gilroy for some reason. And really, besides them both playing in the NCAA, their respective hypes are totally different.

So why in this discussion where we should be discussing Schultz vs Suter, which I have no problem with, are we getting Gilroy comparisons?

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This shouldn't even be a question, Suter.

However, realistically, we only have a chance at Schultz.

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schultz.

if we could move lombardi or komi, then i'd take both happily

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And that's fine. There's also been comparisons to Matt Gilroy for some reason. And really, besides them both playing in the NCAA, their respective hypes are totally different.

So why in this discussion where we should be discussing Schultz vs Suter, which I have no problem with, are we getting Gilroy comparisons?
It's really not that important is it? Gardiner shocked a lot of people with his play this past year. He stepped it up a notch. Just because Schultz was a better player at Wisconsin doesn't mean he'll be a better NHLer. He's got a lot to prove.

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realistically we cant afford suter and also upgrade goaltending and C positions. we have too much dead weight salary. if we could offload tiny tim and lombardi and komi contracts then maybe. but schultz is probably our best option right now.

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