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06-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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Should Buffalo go for Nash?

Nash is a strong power forward that can score, should the Sabres put in an offer? if so what would you say?

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06-17-2012, 04:38 PM
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Leino straight up.

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06-17-2012, 04:50 PM
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We'd have to give up a boatload of young assets if the asking price is still what it was at the deadline. (Young roster player (Foligno, Hodgson, Ennis) + top prospect (Armia) + 1st rounder). I'd rather not.

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06-17-2012, 04:52 PM
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No. He's basically a Vanek that plays RW. We already have one over-priced underwhelming winger, why should we double down by adding another?

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06-17-2012, 04:53 PM
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No. He's basically a Vanek that plays RW. We already have one over-priced underwhelming winger, why should we double down by adding another?
He's not Vanek at all, his speed, his physicality make him far better. Sure he doesn't put up a lot of points and he's overpaid, but if I had to pick between one of the two, I'd like Nash on my team over Vanek.

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06-17-2012, 04:55 PM
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Also mind you Nash hasn't had the teams Vanek has had.

Short answer: no. the assets far outweigh the reward and I don't think the SAbres are close to winning the cup to justify it

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06-17-2012, 05:00 PM
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I have never been a fan of Nash and never seen a player get so much hype and credit for doing so little. He's living off his international play reputation more than anything.

"But he's been stuck playing with horrible players in Columbus!"

If he's truly the franchise player some claim, he shouldn't need help and he should be making those lesser players around him better. He shouldn't struggle just to get to PPG--a feat he has accomplished exactly twice.

For the assets Columbus is going to demand, and the contract (7.8M cap for 6 more years)...that's just not going to cut it.

If I'm going to throw 7.8M at someone...Parise is out there.

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06-17-2012, 05:01 PM
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No. I hate his contract.

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What "teams Vanek has had?" Vanek had all of one season where he played sheltered minutes, and ever since has played sub-first-line TOI while seing top defensive assignments with a boatload of players he didn't have chemistry with.

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06-17-2012, 05:10 PM
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That being said, I have a weird feeling that the Sabres overextend here. I could see them having Nash up there as the BPA of the trade market, and Pegula doesn't like to let his big fish go...

The only thing reassuring me that they wouldn't make a decision that poor is how asset-savy and needs-oriented the Hodgson trade was...

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06-17-2012, 05:16 PM
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What "teams Vanek has had?" Vanek had all of one season where he played sheltered minutes, and ever since has played sub-first-line TOI while seing top defensive assignments with a boatload of players he didn't have chemistry with.
Vanek has been on better teams with better players. Quick name me the best center that Nash has played with in Columbus for more than half a season?

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I have never been a fan of Nash and never seen a player get so much hype and credit for doing so little. He's living off his international play reputation more than anything.

"But he's been stuck playing with horrible players in Columbus!"

If he's truly the franchise player some claim, he shouldn't need help and he should be making those lesser players around him better. He shouldn't struggle just to get to PPG--a feat he has accomplished exactly twice.

For the assets Columbus is going to demand, and the contract (7.8M cap for 6 more years)...that's just not going to cut it.

If I'm going to throw 7.8M at someone...Parise is out there
Blaming Nash for that franshise's struggles is incredibly unfair and frankly a bit ridiculous. Teams don't win unless they have a good amount of talent and are well built. The teams he has played on have not had much talent. Its also not his fault his GMs have thought it wise to try and have a winger carry their team with little support.

Nash's situation reminds me of bit of Kovalchuk's in Atlanta. Kovy became a playoff producing machine on a much better Devils team.


I also think fans need to be grounded a little more in reality with what they think franchise players, particularly centers, can do or should be expected to do.


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06-17-2012, 05:38 PM
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As for acquiring Nash, I don't want that contract unless Vanek's is going out the door. But to me its a sideshow to what we need to do, get another center. So Nash is very far down my list of players to target.

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Vanek has been on better teams with better players. Quick name me the best center that Nash has played with in Columbus for more than half a season?
Antoine Vermette.

Quick, name the last season Vanek played 15 minutes a night at ES...

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06-17-2012, 05:50 PM
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Blaming Nash for that franshise's struggles is incredibly unfair and frankly a bit ridiculous. Teams don't win unless they have a good amount of talent and are well built. The teams he has played on have not had much talent. Its also not his fault his GMs have thought it wise to try and have a winger carry their team with little support.

Nash's situation reminds me of bit of Kovalchuk's in Atlanta. Kovy became a playoff producing machine on a much better Devils team.


I also think fans need to be grounded a little more in reality with what they think franchise players, particularly centers, can do or should be expected to do.
Kovalchuk was still putting up serious numbers in Atlanta.

Yes, the team wasn't very good...but Nash's numbers should still be MUCH better than they are if he's truly a franchise player, regardless of who his linemates are. I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation for a "franchise player" getting paid 7.8M--to put up the numbers and make the players around him better.

Nash's reputation >>>>>>>>>>>> Nash's actual output.

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06-17-2012, 07:19 PM
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Not touching that contract and the amount of assets we'd have to give up if the asking price doesn't drop.

Pass.

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Antoine Vermette.

Quick, name the last season Vanek played 15 minutes a night at ES...
Columbus doesn't have a choice really. Vermette isn't as talented as Roy.

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06-17-2012, 07:37 PM
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I wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for Nash and his contract

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06-17-2012, 07:41 PM
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Personal preference says no thank you. I like Nash but he isn't as good as his contract or his hype. Risk/reward is not worth taking and after giving the youth CBJ want we would then have to shed salary.

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06-17-2012, 07:49 PM
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7.8 mil, 6 years, lose one of hodgson/ennis/foligno/mcnabb and armia, f no

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06-17-2012, 07:59 PM
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Depends on the price, if it is what is rumored no way if its something around Vanek I'd listen

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Sabres priority should be getting strong down the middle. I.E. we need better Centers, more Centers, and prospect Centers.

Teams with a good goalie, solid D and strong centers usually end up winning or contending for the Stanley Cup.

It's why frequent Mercyflight flyers like Tim Connolly still get 5 million a year.

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I'm happy enough with our wingers right now (Leino, Foligno, Stafford, Pominville) that I would rather invest the good assets it would take for Nash into a center instead. We're stronger on the wing and weaker at center and what this team truly needs is to get tougher and grittier. I'm a fan of Nash but he's not what we need. Great player but this team has talent. It's a matter of getting stronger physically and mentally to put it to use.

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LW Rick Nash ($7.8M)
C Boone Jenner ($925K)


To

LW Thomas Vanek ($7.143M)
G Jhonas Enroth ($675K)
D Mark Pysyk ($870K ELC)
2012 2nd RND pick [CGY #44]


Thoughts?

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